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Thu May 30, 2024 3:11 pm
I will be voting for Kennedy, not Trump.
Mr. Bet-David pointed out on Tucker Carlson that Kennedy's third party run will likely hurt Trump worse than Biden.
I think Bet-David is spot on. While I anticipate Kennedy will peel off some would-be Biden voters who use it as a protest vote to "punish" Biden and the DNC, there's a much greater likelihood that would-be Trump voters would find a worm-brained anti-science conspiracy theorist to be a viable candidate for the President of the United States than would-be Biden voters. It's the same problem the early fake news outlets ran into in trying to expand their earnings by targeting liberals, after finding spreading fake news amongst conservatives to be so easy and profitable... liberals kept thwarting the efforts with their rascally tendency to fact check.
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Thu May 30, 2024 3:53 pm
I think Bet-David is spot on. While I anticipate Kennedy will peel off some would-be Biden voters who use it as a protest vote to "punish" Biden and the DNC, there's a much greater likelihood that would-be Trump voters would find a worm-brained anti-science conspiracy theorist to be a viable candidate for the President of the United States than would-be Biden voters. It's the same problem the early fake news outlets ran into in trying to expand their earnings by targeting liberals, after finding spreading fake news amongst conservatives to be so easy and profitable... liberals kept thwarting the efforts with their rascally tendency to fact check.
I agree to some extent. I do think Democrats may still need to worry about Kennedy's presence to some extent. Given the growing apathy and rumblings against Biden from members of the party I'm not sure Democrats will have the wiggle room to lose any votes there. The party's in-fighting may very well spell disaster for them again.
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I agree to some extent. I do think Democrats may still need to worry about Kennedy's presence to some extent. Given the growing apathy and rumblings against Biden from members of the party I'm not sure Democrats will have the wiggle room to lose any votes there. The party's in-fighting may very well spell disaster for them again.
Good point about the inner-party angst. In my very limited anecdotal sphere, I've seen a lot of former Biden voters going the way of "I'm not even going to vote this time." I think apathy might end up being the biggest threat to Biden this go-around. Then again, maybe the down-ticket stuff, particularly with abortion, might get bodies in the booths. (*shrug*)

Admittedly, I'm having a very hard time finding the motivation to vote when faced with my registration card everyday on the fridge... and it's still months away. If an A.I. is "born" in the US, can it be President?
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 4:42 pm
Xenophon wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 4:03 pm
I agree to some extent. I do think Democrats may still need to worry about Kennedy's presence to some extent. Given the growing apathy and rumblings against Biden from members of the party I'm not sure Democrats will have the wiggle room to lose any votes there. The party's in-fighting may very well spell disaster for them again.
Good point about the inner-party angst. In my very limited anecdotal sphere, I've seen a lot of former Biden voters going the way of "I'm not even going to vote this time." I think apathy might end up being the biggest threat to Biden this go-around. Then again, maybe the down-ticket stuff, particularly with abortion, might get bodies in the booths. (*shrug*)

Admittedly, I'm having a very hard time finding the motivation to vote when faced with my registration card everyday on the fridge... and it's still months away. If an A.I. is "born" in the US, can it be President?
Mail in voting and taxpayer paid partisan democrat ballot harvesters should solve that problem for you very easily. Zuckerberg and Soros will get out the vote. There's too much at stake for Democrats to leave this decision up to the voters. Remember, democracy is only allowed when people vote Democrat. As Kishkumen said, if people vote for Trump, that's not democracy and should be prohibited. It's always been US policy around the world. Do you think we want Saudi Arabia becoming a democracy? It makes sense that the deep state seeks to continue this partisan definition of democracy to be implemented in the US as well.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 4:42 pm
Good point about the inner-party angst. In my very limited anecdotal sphere, I've seen a lot of former Biden voters going the way of "I'm not even going to vote this time." I think apathy might end up being the biggest threat to Biden this go-around. Then again, maybe the down-ticket stuff, particularly with abortion, might get bodies in the booths. (*shrug*)

Admittedly, I'm having a very hard time finding the motivation to vote when faced with my registration card everyday on the fridge... and it's still months away. If an A.I. is "born" in the US, can it be President?
I hope you're right about the down-ticket and single-issue voting panning out but I grow more nervous every day. Polling amongst the youngins looks even worse than normal (we have a deep there outside of any partisan thing) and regardless of actual economic indicators there is a ton of pain being felt out in the world. A long road to run still but Democrats would be delusional if they didn't think it was going to be a hard road. Fortunately I don't see Biden and team falling into that trap but I've been surprised by the number of people I've seen suggest there is no way Biden doesn't win.

As to A.I., I'm sure you could make the legal argument that it isn't yet 35... that or another strained "birther" argument :lol: .
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 4:51 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 4:42 pm

Good point about the inner-party angst. In my very limited anecdotal sphere, I've seen a lot of former Biden voters going the way of "I'm not even going to vote this time." I think apathy might end up being the biggest threat to Biden this go-around. Then again, maybe the down-ticket stuff, particularly with abortion, might get bodies in the booths. (*shrug*)

Admittedly, I'm having a very hard time finding the motivation to vote when faced with my registration card everyday on the fridge... and it's still months away. If an A.I. is "born" in the US, can it be President?
Mail in voting and taxpayer paid partisan democrat ballot harvesters should solve that problem for you very easily. Zuckerberg and Soros will get out the vote. There's too much at stake for Democrats to leave this decision up to the voters. Remember, democracy is only allowed when people vote Democrat. As Kishkumen said, if people vote for Trump, that's not democracy and should be prohibited. It's always been US policy around the world. Do you think we want Saudi Arabia becoming a democracy? It makes sense that the deep state seeks to continue this partisan definition of democracy to be implemented in the US as well.
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As Kishkumen said, if people vote for Trump, that's not democracy and should be prohibited.
It’s true that voting to end democracy is undemocratic. It is true that Trump is unqualified to be president. Until the system evolves to take account of problems like Trump, a criminal and completely unfit politician, people have the option to vote to undermine democracy, the rule of law, and the Constitution by casting a ballot for Trump. Of course, Trumpism may effectively end those things as we have known them, so the system may not have time to evolve in order to protect itself from Trumpism.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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