If people voted for who they actually wanted to win, then that party would have a chance of winning, wouldn't it?
In practice, given the British 'first past the post' system, sensible voters look at the way votes in their constituency are trending, and vote on that basis. In my own case, I want a Labour government, and to do that I need to get rid of as many Conservative MP's as possible. Thus:Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:54 amIf people voted for who they actually wanted to win, then that party would have a chance of winning, wouldn't it?
But when we get down to brass tacks, voting for a party who has a chance of winning is also a wasted vote, because your chances of affecting the election either way are statistically far, far less likely than getting into a car crash and dying on the way to the voting booth.
That is a clever way to look at it. I live in a labour constituency and I think it has been labour for decades. so I know Labour will win here.Chap wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:57 amIn practice, given the British 'first past the post' system, sensible voters look at the way votes in their constituency are trending, and vote on that basis. In my own case, I want a Labour government, and to do that I need to get rid of as many Conservative MP's as possible. Thus:Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:54 am
If people voted for who they actually wanted to win, then that party would have a chance of winning, wouldn't it?
But when we get down to brass tacks, voting for a party who has a chance of winning is also a wasted vote, because your chances of affecting the election either way are statistically far, far less likely than getting into a car crash and dying on the way to the voting booth.
(a) If Labour is likely to attract most of the votes in my constituency, I add mine to the pile to make sure they win.
(b) If Labour is running close to the Conservatives, but is in second place, I still vote for them in the hope that they may manage a winning total on the day.
(c) If Labour is running a poor third, and another party that I do not positively loath (such as the Liberal Democrats or Greens) is either likely to win with the Conservatives second, or is running a close second to Conservatives, I will give them my vote in order to do my best to avoid getting a Conservative MP.
As you can see, I regard my vote as something to deploy as part of a real world political strategy. For me, it is not an exercise in political self-expression.
People can vote for a smaller party and there would be no chance they will win. The whole of the UK would have to get on board and have the same thinking but they don't. I think in time as social media manipulates people's thinking maybe. The class system that people perceived themselves to be in plays a huge role in how a lot of people vote. Middle and upper class are more likely to vote conservative. Social/working class are more likely to vote labour.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:54 amIf people voted for who they actually wanted to win, then that party would have a chance of winning, wouldn't it?
But when we get down to brass tacks, voting for a party who has a chance of winning is also a wasted vote, because your chances of affecting the election either way are statistically far, far less likely than getting into a car crash and dying on the way to the voting booth.
Democrats have controlled the house since 2018 based on a promise to tax the rich. It hasn't happened yet. Biden has been in power for four years and yet we still haven't raised those taxes on the rich. Do you think if Biden is elected that Democrats will actually tax their rich globalist oligarch buddies who control the uniparty? I don't see where there is any need to alienate their donors when they already have this board's vote whether they keep their campaign promise or not.but it's been too long and our economy is shocking.
No, had people been that serious about taxing the rich, Bernie would have won.Democrats have controlled the house since 2018 based on a promise to tax the rich.
No matter how small the party, if the majority of voters voted for it, it would win.
Er, yes. We only need to have faith ... wait, are we playing under Mormon rules down here?Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:12 pmNo matter how small the party, if the majority of voters voted for it, it would win.
I know what you are saying. But the majority of the voters won't vote the small parties. Reform may have a chance at getting some seats but they won't get enough to win.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:12 pmNo matter how small the party, if the majority of voters voted for it, it would win.