Biden needs to step aside

[Xenophon]

They could swap the VP with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and win the election even if they turned the West Wing into a nursing home before and after the election.

Trump last night was in no way the Trump of 2018 and it is showing; Biden as President just increases other super powers to start taking what they want but have been hesitant. Last night was a tragedy for the American people and watched by all leaders in every country. I can just imagine the communications going on with Putin and allies; just imagine what they are planning for their armed forces to do during the next six months.

You're saying keep Biden but swap VP only or we're you thinking Harris as President and Jeffries as VP, or some other combo? Data is limited but I think both Harris and Jeffries have even lower approval numbers than Biden last I looked. I'm pretty skeptical that a swap this late to less popular candidates is a winning move. If anything I think you'd be better off with a Newsom or someone with some name recognition if you're going that route (which I don't think Democrats will).

[yellowstone123]

Thanks. I decided not to view it live. I did look on CNN's website at the live updates and saw a Democrat reaction that said "We're f*cked". Do you agree, honor?

With that comment? No. This is the earliest presidential debated and one of two. It damaged Joe's image but historically incumbent presidents do bad in the first debate.

Trump said some crazy crap. He said Putin told him he dreamed of taking Ukraine, for example. His actual words were damaging AF. It's the optics that are killing Biden. We will just have to see how things play out.

Anyone hoping to see a strong Biden wipe the floor with Trump would not only be disappointed but feel it may have gone the other way. Anyone reading the transcript of the debate will wonder what the fuss is about.and how anyone could believe a word that comes out of Trump's mouth.

Putin already took part of the Ukraine a decade earlier and the world basically did nothing. He likely thought that his troops taking another part of the Ukraine in 2022 would be no different. It's kind of like Hitler thinking that the Soviet Union would fall just a fast as France did.

[Res Ipsa]

The Biden campaign rolled the dice on an early debate and lost. ***shrug*** The major difference between Relief Society and Ds in terms of tactics is that, when something adverse to them in a campaign, the Relief Society double and triple down while the Democrats do their best Chicken Little imitation.

I think that the presidential debates are dead and should be put out of their misery. The combination of Gish Galloping and the ability to spout lie after lie in two minute chunks with impunity make it impossible to have any engagement on the issues. The format makes a demagogue with a loose grip on reality virtually untouchable. The BS Asymmetry Principle guarantees it.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I think the campaign's biggest mistake was forgetting the the KISS principle. Given the format of the debate and the willingness and ability of Trump to confidently spout absolute nonsense nonstop for a couple of minutes at a time, the debate presented the opportunity for Biden at most to do one thing: portray Trump as losing his grip on reality, promote his record as president, portray the same strong image as a leader that he did in the SOTU, goad Trump into gaffes, etc. Instead, he tried to do too much, ending up getting dragged by Trump into a rushed attempt to refute Trump's Gish Gallop of BS -- the one thing that no single human could do real time given the debate's time constraints. He recovered somewhat during the second half, but he came away with a muddled message instead of doing one thing well.

Biden's greatest strength is his record. HIs second greatest strength is that Trump is sliding into dementia. Trump can hold it together in two minute snippets, but his longer speeches at his rallies reveal a man that increasingly cannot distinguish reality from fantasy. Go read his electric batter/shark story or anything he has to say about shower heads and dishwashers and ask yourself whether that's the guy you want cutting deals with Putin. Whatever standard the Relief Society try to hold Biden to in terms of mental competence, Trump is going to fail, and obviously so. Heck, he's so bad already that Fox News has to cut away from his speeches when he wanders into la-la land.

If I had my druthers, Biden would have passed the torch instead of running for re-election. But he's far and away a better candidate than Donald "Your Drunk Uncle" Trump. Running around like chickens sans heads based on a poor debate performance makes little sense to me.

[yellowstone123]

They could swap the VP with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and win the election even if they turned the West Wing into a nursing home before and after the election.

Trump last night was in no way the Trump of 2018 and it is showing; Biden as President just increases other super powers to start taking what they want but have been hesitant. Last night was a tragedy for the American people and watched by all leaders in every country. I can just imagine the communications going on with Putin and allies; just imagine what they are planning for their armed forces to do during the next six months.

You're saying keep Biden but swap VP only or we're you thinking Harris as President and Jeffries as VP, or some other combo? Data is limited but I think both Harris and Jeffries have even lower approval numbers than Biden last I looked. I'm pretty skeptical that a swap this late to less popular candidates is a winning move. If anything I think you'd be better off with a Newsom or someone with some name recognition if you're going that route (which I don't think Democrats will).

Get rid of Harris and let Biden slip away. I think Hakeem Jeffries could do the job just like DeSantis and Nikki Haley could. Lincoln had Hannibal Hamlin during his first term then Andrew Johnson as he began his second one. Andrew Johnson then was sworn in after the Lincoln assassination.

Harris use to be the girlfriend of California Assemblyman Willie Brown who was speaker of the House in the State Legislature; he was also the Mayor of San Fransisco. She has always gravitated towards a powerful body. She's really not any better than Biden as when asked a hard question she laughs as Biden looks like a deer in headlights.

My observation is that the media has been a democratic administration lap dog for the past twenty years and is going to lie [withholding information] and is likely going to be the same for the next twenty years. Putting Biden on stage after his administration reportedly prepared him for a week and let him rest shows that he is not fit to be President anymore but what to do is anyones guess.

I don't believe in the Deep State but after last night who knows but I still don't believe in it. By default Government is dysfunctional at best so what are you going to do. I wonder what Robert Kennedy Jr is doing and who is approaching him. Even though he has no better track better with women than Trump, and has interesting conspiracy theories, he's head and shoulder above Trump and Biden.

[huckelberry]

Trump last night was in no way the Trump of 2018 and it is showing; Biden as President just increases other super powers to start taking what they want but have been hesitant. Last night was a tragedy for the American people and watched by all leaders in every country. I can just imagine the communications going on with Putin and allies; just imagine what they are planning for their armed forces to do during the next six months.

Yellowstone, I heard Trump claim what you stated here several times. Myself I see no reason to believe it. It is just another," build the wall and Mexico will be paying for it."

[Xenophon]

The Biden campaign rolled the dice on an early debate and lost. ***shrug*** The major difference between Relief Society and Ds in terms of tactics is that, when something adverse to them in a campaign, the Relief Society double and triple down while the Democrats do their best Chicken Little imitation.

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Didn't want to clutter things up by quoting the whole thing but thanks for so succinctly saying what I've been trying to get at for a few posts now.

Trump last night was in no way the Trump of 2018 and it is showing; Biden as President just increases other super powers to start taking what they want but have been hesitant. Last night was a tragedy for the American people and watched by all leaders in every country. I can just imagine the communications going on with Putin and allies; just imagine what they are planning for their armed forces to do during the next six months.

Yellowstone, I heard Trump claim what you stated here several times. Myself I see no reason to believe it. It is just another," build the wall and Mexico will be paying for it."

Question for the audience, do you think Putin is more excited for Trump's Ukrainian policy or a continuation of Biden's current approach? Any notion that antagonistic world leaders watched the debate last night and are licking their chops to exploit Biden and are trembling in their boots at the thought of Trump taking over is laughable.

[yellowstone123]

Trump last night was in no way the Trump of 2018 and it is showing; Biden as President just increases other super powers to start taking what they want but have been hesitant. Last night was a tragedy for the American people and watched by all leaders in every country. I can just imagine the communications going on with Putin and allies; just imagine what they are planning for their armed forces to do during the next six months.

Yellowstone, I heard Trump claim what you stated here several times. Myself I see no reason to believe it. It is just another," build the wall and Mexico will be paying for it."

Thanks huckleberry for your response:

You think with Trump in office Russia would have invaded Ukraine? We will never really know because he lost the 2020 election. Do you believe those who cross the southern border are only political refugee's from Central and South America?

[Morley]

Deleted my dickish response to Ceeboo. Kish said it with much more grace and civility a couple of posts after this one.

[Kishkumen]

The Biden campaign rolled the dice on an early debate and lost. ***shrug*** The major difference between Relief Society and Ds in terms of tactics is that, when something adverse to them in a campaign, the Relief Society double and triple down while the Democrats do their best Chicken Little imitation.

I think that the presidential debates are dead and should be put out of their misery. The combination of Gish Galloping and the ability to spout lie after lie in two minute chunks with impunity make it impossible to have any engagement on the issues. The format makes a demagogue with a loose grip on reality virtually untouchable. The BS Asymmetry Principle guarantees it.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I think the campaign's biggest mistake was forgetting the the KISS principle. Given the format of the debate and the willingness and ability of Trump to confidently spout absolute nonsense nonstop for a couple of minutes at a time, the debate presented the opportunity for Biden at most to do one thing: portray Trump as losing his grip on reality, promote his record as president, portray the same strong image as a leader that he did in the SOTU, goad Trump into gaffes, etc. Instead, he tried to do too much, ending up getting dragged by Trump into a rushed attempt to refute Trump's Gish Gallop of BS -- the one thing that no single human could do real time given the debate's time constraints. He recovered somewhat during the second half, but he came away with a muddled message instead of doing one thing well.

Biden's greatest strength is his record. HIs second greatest strength is that Trump is sliding into dementia. Trump can hold it together in two minute snippets, but his longer speeches at his rallies reveal a man that increasingly cannot distinguish reality from fantasy. Go read his electric batter/shark story or anything he has to say about shower heads and dishwashers and ask yourself whether that's the guy you want cutting deals with Putin. Whatever standard the Relief Society try to hold Biden to in terms of mental competence, Trump is going to fail, and obviously so. Heck, he's so bad already that Fox News has to cut away from his speeches when he wanders into la-la land.

If I had my druthers, Biden would have passed the torch instead of running for re-election. But he's far and away a better candidate than Donald "Your Drunk Uncle" Trump. Running around like chickens sans heads based on a poor debate performance makes little sense to me.

Your first paragraph is bang on and so frustrating.

ETA: actually, the whole thing is right.

[Moksha]

Would it be so bad if the US was destroyed and huge chunks of the former country were rolled back to antebellum times? Oops, sorry. Just speculating on a Trumpish future.