Does character still matter in politics?

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Trump just asked his fans if he should subject Liz Cheney to a military tribunal. Are any Trump fans worried yet?

Remember Republicans and Trump dissing countries they called shitholes? How they moan about looking like a banana republic?

Well, folks, this is exactly how a tinpot dictator in a small country behaves. This is not how the leader of the free world behaves.

If you vote for this man, that is on your conscience. You are helping to drive us right into the kind of situation so-called conservatives claim they fear from Democrats.

Never, once, has any candidate for US president raised such a dangerous idea. And this is not the first dangerous and unacceptable idea Trump has floated. It joins a growing list.

Do not vote for Trump. For the love of God and freedom. Do not put this filth in the White House.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:27 pm
Trump just asked his fans if he should subject Liz Cheney to a military tribunal. Are any Trump fans worried yet?

Remember Republicans and Trump dissing countries they called shitholes? How they moan about looking like a banana republic?

Well, folks, this is exactly how a tinpot dictator in a small country behaves. This is not how the leader of the free world behaves.

If you vote for this man, that is on your conscience. You are helping to drive us right into the kind of situation so-called conservatives claim they fear from Democrats.

Never, once, has any candidate for US president raised such a dangerous idea. And this is not the first dangerous and unacceptable idea Trump has floated. It joins a growing list.

Do not vote for Trump. For the love of God and freedom. Do not put this filth in the White House.
Democracy is at stake ...............

How are you going to handle it if Trump is elected come November? Looks likely at this point. It'll be rough? Or probably not as much as you claim, based on how he acted the last time. Sure, some will be fired, but that happens. Frankly, it'll be like the last Trump administration where the insiders work really hard to sabotage his administration, monthly impeachment hearings, and meanwhile Trump will be boasting about how his policies are the best ever, etc. Perhaps, you need to step back and relax a little?

By the way, here is some of what the democrats have floated since the immunity decision:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/Democrat ... y-decision

How do you feel about this rhetoric?
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Democracy is at stake ...............

How are you going to handle it if Trump is elected come November? Looks likely at this point. It'll be rough? Or probably not as much as you claim, based on how he acted the last time. Sure, some will be fired, but that happens. Frankly, it'll be like the last Trump administration where the insiders work really hard to sabotage his administration, monthly impeachment hearings, and meanwhile Trump will be boasting about how his policies are the best ever, etc. Perhaps, you need to step back and relax a little?

By the way, here is some of what the democrats have floated since the immunity decision:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/Democrat ... y-decision

How do you feel about this rhetoric?
It will not be “how he acted the last time,” and you either know that, and are pretending to be ignorant, or you are not paying attention. The radical right, including its justices on Supreme Court, is teeing up the situation to make sure Trump is not impeded in gutting the executive branch and placing loyalists to do exactly what Trump wants, including “retribution” against those who tried to hold him accountable for his lawless behavior.

As for the radical rhetoric on the left, I agree that it is scary. We are going to spiral down the toilet now. We lost the Republic this week. It will be progressively dismantled over the coming years, if Trump wins. There is a very good chance he will, especially since Republicans have been working very hard to line up their cheating.

If Biden wins, the first thing that should be done is court reform. Clearly the radical right wing justices on this court are untethered from the Constitution. Unless there is such reform, the Republic will remain lost.

By the way, there was extreme rhetoric in the American Revolution that resulted in the Republic that Supreme Court just flushed down the toilet.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:50 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:27 pm
Trump just asked his fans if he should subject Liz Cheney to a military tribunal. Are any Trump fans worried yet?

Remember Republicans and Trump dissing countries they called shitholes? How they moan about looking like a banana republic?

Well, folks, this is exactly how a tinpot dictator in a small country behaves. This is not how the leader of the free world behaves.

If you vote for this man, that is on your conscience. You are helping to drive us right into the kind of situation so-called conservatives claim they fear from Democrats.

Never, once, has any candidate for US president raised such a dangerous idea. And this is not the first dangerous and unacceptable idea Trump has floated. It joins a growing list.

Do not vote for Trump. For the love of God and freedom. Do not put this filth in the White House.
Democracy is at stake ...............

How are you going to handle it if Trump is elected come November? Looks likely at this point. It'll be rough? Or probably not as much as you claim, based on how he acted the last time. Sure, some will be fired, but that happens. Frankly, it'll be like the last Trump administration where the insiders work really hard to sabotage his administration, monthly impeachment hearings, and meanwhile Trump will be boasting about how his policies are the best ever, etc. Perhaps, you need to step back and relax a little?

By the way, here is some of what the democrats have floated since the immunity decision:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/Democrat ... y-decision

How do you feel about this rhetoric?
Dr Exiled. I went to your link and read comments by people complaining that the court decision may make possible various bad actions by a president. These liberals were not saying the bad actions should be done. That is an important difference. It is also important to notice these people were not running for office.

I suppose if you dig far enough you might find some person carried away saying the actions should be done. Dig far enough and you can find somebody thinking most anything.
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huckelberry wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:16 pm
Dr Exiled. I went to your link and read comments by people complaining that the court decision may make possible various bad actions by a president. These liberals were not saying the bad actions should be done. That is an important difference. It is also important to notice these people were not running for office.

I suppose if you dig far enough you might find some person carried away saying the actions should be done. Dig far enough and you can find somebody thinking most anything.
Exiled has got a whataboutism problem.
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Frustrating. You can reason with a man, and he will unthinkingly say, “I disagree.”

K. Enjoy the evil Supreme Court just unleashed. Funny thing about evil is it tends to turn on the hand that freed it.

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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:20 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:16 pm
Dr Exiled. I went to your link and read comments by people complaining that the court decision may make possible various bad actions by a president. These liberals were not saying the bad actions should be done. That is an important difference. It is also important to notice these people were not running for office.

I suppose if you dig far enough you might find some person carried away saying the actions should be done. Dig far enough and you can find somebody thinking most anything.
Exiled has got a whataboutism problem.
Naw. I'm just trying to point out that perhaps you are overreacting to Trump and the potentials the media hypes. I think this is why you use the illogical "everyone knows" reasoning when trying to justify your unreasonable fears of what could happen in a new Trump administration. You realize that there still is a Constitution, and Congress, and the Court that will act as a check on whatever you imagine Trump might do. Sure, your torch may have been put out for the moment. Maybe take a break from commenting for a minute? The Court didn't do like you wanted, like all your friends wanted. Deal with it.
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All the adults from the first term that wouldn’t let Trump do the crazy crap have been canned and/or won’t support him. The next Trump presidency term will basically only have enablers or people with their own racist/homophobic agendas and as long as they are kissing the ring get to further their positions. I can buy it won’t be any worse. Only 4 of his 44 cabinet members endorse him this year.

He has the Supreme Court, currently the House, who knows what the senate will look like.
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Ceeboo,

Trump recently highlighted a meme demanding that Liz Cheney face a military tribunal. How should a sensible person take these antics?
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:54 pm
Naw. I'm just trying to point out that perhaps you are overreacting to Trump and the potentials the media hypes. I think this is why you use the illogical "everyone knows" reasoning when trying to justify your unreasonable fears of what could happen in a new Trump administration. You realize that there still is a Constitution, and Congress, and the Court that will act as a check on whatever you imagine Trump might do. Sure, your torch may have been put out for the moment. Maybe take a break from commenting for a minute? The Court didn't do like you wanted, like all your friends wanted. Deal with it.
Exiled, sorry, but you’ve become kind of a tool. Our fears are not unreasonable. Radical right wing judges may have just succeeded in keeping Trump safe from the consequences of his criminal behavior. There is nothing unreasonable in worrying that our Republic is in deep trouble. Congress has been dysfunctional for quite a while. The Supreme Court is dominated by radical right wing justices.

If you want to take a break from being an ass, feel free to start any time.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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