Does character still matter in politics?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Markk, nice to see you.

No one has said what you are claiming. This has more to do with certain methods, increasingly deployed by groups and not just single actors, that have been honed since the ‘90s. Of course, there has been corruption, immorality, and the lot before. What we are talking about is a concerted effort to walk back civil rights and the social safety net the only way the GOP can now: by crippling democracy.

Track the activities of Gingrich up to now. Look at all the Heritage Foundation has managed to accomplish by filling the court with its picks and now the 2025 project. Study the unitary executive idea that Bill Barr was big into.

You see, this is not just corruption. This is a planned overhaul of our country with no methods, no matter how criminal or corrupt, out of bounds.

Thanks,

But come on. Do you really think that Biden is running our country and not "actors" behind the scene? He needs instructions on just about everything he does.

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

If Gingrich is pushing a movement, it isn't working.

The Democrats had 51 high level intelligence folks sign...sign, a document that the LT was not Hunter's but Russian by origin. Not a few, not even a dozen...but 51. Is that by chance or an as you wrote...a planned movement, maybe not an overhaul but a movement to keep the club blue. 51 Kish, and no retractions.

Courts are chosen by the winners, not by any foundation...I just google the appeal court appointments majorities, the Democrats have 7, the Replicans 6.

The Republicans have appointed 91, while the Democrats 86....seems pretty even to me.

It is truly a mess.

“F”, Markk. Do you ever tire of being spectacularly wrong? No, the 51 former intelligence officials did not claim that the literal laptop was of Russian origin. The letter suggested the story about the laptop had the earmarks of a Russian information operation. They did not assert that the laptop itself was a Russian plant.

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

Thanks,

But come on. Do you really think that Biden is running our country and not "actors" behind the scene? He needs instructions on just about everything he does.

I think you and I are on quite different pages here. The president is the head of the Executive Branch and the White House staff is filled with many people that facilitate the business of the president. Every president. Is that sinister to you? I am only concerned about it when the people in question are execrable creeps like Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon.

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

See above. Trump is illiterate. And ignorant. And he spouts a bunch of nonsense that often doesn’t go anywhere. I would not call him a leader so much as a carnival barker, a salesman, or a demagogue.

If Gingrich is pushing a movement, it isn't working.

I’ll trust the folks who specialize in the history of the GOP over you.

The Democrats had 51 high level intelligence folks sign...sign, a document that the LT was not Hunters but Russian by origin. Not a few, not even a dozen...but 51. Is that by chance or an as you wrote....a planned movement, maybe not an overhaul but a movement to keep the club blue. 51 Kish, and no retractions.

Thanks to honor for debunking this nonsense one more time.

Courts are chosen by the winners, not by any foundation...I just google the appeal court appointments majorities, the Democrats have 7, the Republicans 6.

Um, yes. You are telling a selective story and omitting the fact that the GOP stole a seat from Obama. And also Trump did use a list prepared by the Federalist Society (not the Heritage Foundation, my mistake).

[Doctor Steuss]

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb, that you haven't read any of the books written by members of Trump's White House staff on how easily he is manipulated by the media, wealthy people, foreign heads of state, and celebrities?

Heck, Trump just did a complete 180 last month on his near decade long anti-immigrant dance after having his palms greased by some wealthy donors that rely on... you guessed it... immigrants.

And who can forget his infamous 15 flip-flops in 15 days in November 2016.

I guess if you're going to worship someone, you might as well stick to the tried and true methods, and create a whopper of a myth to accompany the worship.

[Binger]

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb, that you haven't read any of the books written by members of Trump's White House staff on how easily he is manipulated by the media, wealthy people, foreign heads of state, and celebrities?

Heck, Trump just did a complete 180 last month on his near decade long anti-immigrant dance after having his palms greased by some wealthy donors that rely on... you guessed it... immigrants.

And who can forget his infamous 15 flip-flops in 15 days in November 2016.

I guess if you're going to worship someone, you might as well stick to the tried and true methods, and create a whopper of a myth to accompany the worship.

By definition, Trump is not an A-hole. He is a POS. I would argue that he is mostly an A-hole but Fake-Doctor Steuss is correct that he has shown victimization, phony fake D-baggery and also submission at times. Mostly A-hole, but clearly a POS.

[Some Schmo]

The original thread title, "When Did Republicans Stop Caring?" morphed into "Does character still matter in politics?"

This tells me that Kish was originally asking when the GOP base stopped caring about their leader's character. I wonder if it's not character they stopped caring about, but reality they don't seem to value. I have heard many people repeat the sentiment that they don't necessarily care about what's true. Many people are aware they are being lied to by right-wing media and remain indifferent. People are surprised to find out what Trump said or did all the time (and end up doubting it) because they don't hear it from their favored sources, and they don't want to hear it. They can (and do) believe whatever they want about Trump's character because they can turn off reality.

As long as the libs are owned, that's all that matters.

[Kishkumen]

As long as the libs are owned, that's all that matters.

As we have seen, there are trolls and bullies who take this hobby up and claim they AREN’T Trump voters.

[Binger]

The original thread title, "When Did Republicans Stop Caring?" morphed into "Does character still matter in politics?"

This tells me that Kish was originally asking when the GOP base stopped caring about their leader's character. I wonder if it's not character they stopped caring about, but reality they don't seem to value. I have heard many people repeat the sentiment that they don't necessarily care about what's true. Many people are aware they are being lied to by right-wing media and remain indifferent. People are surprised to find out what Trump said or did all the time (and end up doubting it) because they don't hear it from their favored sources, and they don't want to hear it. They can (and do) believe whatever they want about Trump's character because they can turn off reality.

As long as the libs are owned, that's all that matters.

Trump’s character may or may not be an issue for people. You certainly don’t know enough folks to judge them as you do. Very few people will care what you or Don Lemon think about Trump’s so-called character.

Very few people will interact with Trump enough to draw the conclusions you fantasize. Many people will interact with comments like yours above. They will decide if your comments about them are credible or just a ranting farce. The will likely reject or dismiss your comments regardless of your feelings.

Your comments and insults of people impact the election. Not sure what’s so complicated about this.

[Markk]

Thanks,

But come on. Do you really think that Biden is running our country and not "actors" behind the scene? He needs instructions on just about everything he does.

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

If Gingrich is pushing a movement, it isn't working.

The Democrats had 51 high level intelligence folks sign...sign, a document that the LT was not Hunter's but Russian by origin. Not a few, not even a dozen...but 51. Is that by chance or an as you wrote...a planned movement, maybe not an overhaul but a movement to keep the club blue. 51 Kish, and no retractions.

Courts are chosen by the winners, not by any foundation...I just google the appeal court appointments majorities, the Democrats have 7, the Replicans 6.

The Republicans have appointed 91, while the Democrats 86....seems pretty even to me.

It is truly a mess.

“F”, Markk. Do you ever tire of being spectacularly wrong? No, the 51 former intelligence officials did not claim that the literal laptop was of Russian origin. The letter suggested the story about the laptop had the earmarks of a Russian information operation. They did not assert that the laptop itself was a Russian plant.

- Doc

Splitting hairs are we....https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175 ... 9f9b330000

Are you saying that these 51 intelligence folks the knew it was his laptop and just let the press and folks like you believe it wasn't?


what about this by you...

REPOST TIME:
I will have enough for an entire book before this “scandal” is done.

Hunter, while living in California, decides to fly 3,000 miles to Delaware. All to drop off a laptop for repair, coincidentally at a huge MAGA fan shop. he decided to never pick up his own laptop.

There’s security footage of it, but it got lost. Epstein style. But don’t worry- the MAGA man swears he saw him drop it off. Turns out he has a mental condition where he CANNOT RECOGNIZE FACES (I’m not joking) he knew it was hunters though, cause of the stickers on the laptop... MAGA man, naturally, didn’t just erase and resell the laptop, but did the totally normal thing of duplicating the hard drive and spending hours sorting through thousands of emails to find one that suggests Hunter might’ve tried to arrange a meeting with daddy Biden no evidence any meeting ever occurred, but who cares.

In comes Rudy Giuliani, cyber security expert, and talking set of teeth -who was tricked by Borat, and periodically butt dials reporters on accident -he has ‘confirmed’ the information not even the FBI could. Rudy was so worried about the intel, he sat on the laptop for months until 3 weeks before the election.

Naturally, it proves Hunter was into pedo devil sex too, but the proof is secret and for Rudy’s eyes only. there’s a video of said drug fueled sexcapades, but again, you just gotta trust rudy

Rudy refuses to send any electronic proof of the emails to anyone. But it’s definitely real, and definitely exists Heh. Again- not a single news agency has actually seen any proof, except for photos of printed emails. This is why ThEY WoNT CoVeR iT

He was ‘confirming’ it the same time Trump received an intel briefing that Rudy was unknowingly being used by Russian operatives to spread disinformation. Lmao.

Rudy, tired of getting made fun of, tweets some more ‘source material’ text messages... except the text is in an app that didn’t exist at the time it supposedly happened, and...literally in Russia. Poor guy.

This was all also investigated by a real Post reporter who refused to put their name on it, as no part of it could be verified. Several news outlets also passed on the story for the same reason, including FoxNews and WSJ. Ended up written by Sean Hannity’s producer. Lol.

Now comes a guy named Bobulinski - alleging he, uhh met with Biden to discuss a Chinese business deal. He has proof, of course: ‘documents’ he says naturally, he actually hasn’t released anything.

The WSJ opinion section finally publishes a Bobulinkski piece. Note: opinion section, not news, as they still couldn’t verify anything. It alleges the above Chinese deal. They very next day, the WSJ news section refutes the entire thing, using Bobulinksi’s own source material.

Here comes Tucker Carlson. He is about to release a bombshell. All the emails. Proving everything. Unfortunately, these apparently only existed as single physical copies. The emails. Electronic mails. Only existed as one physical copy. (Got that?). Sadly, these printed non-electronic emails were lost (stolen!) in the mail, and no one ever made a copy , so we may never know which dog ate Tucker’s homework or who made-up this made-up story.

Next up is Martin Aspen, Swiss intelligence operative. He is the basis for many of these allegations and brought it public in a dossier that the PRESIDENT received.. it turns out he is not real. Literally, they made his face on a face generator and gave him a cute linkedIn profile at a fake company. Probably just a cover for the deep state.

I think I’ve got it all, but hard to say as they keep making new stuff up.

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Edit: Tucker has retrieved the mystery documents. Still don't know what's in them, but coincidentally he thinks we should give Hunter a break, and pretend like none of this happened.

I've posted a partial list of sources below. I'm supposed to be working right now, so its all I've got time for.

Also, I refuse to remove my emojis. Screw all of you.

Just saying buddy!

[Markk]

Thanks,

But come on. Do you really think that Biden is running our country and not "actors" behind the scene? He needs instructions on just about everything he does.

I think you and I are on quite different pages here. The president is the head of the Executive Branch and the White House staff is filled with many people that facilitate the business of the president. Every president. Is that sinister to you? I am only concerned about it when the people in question are execrable creeps like Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon.

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

See above. Trump is illiterate. And ignorant. And he spouts a bunch of nonsense that often doesn’t go anywhere. I would not call him a leader so much as a carnival barker, a salesman, or a demagogue.

If Gingrich is pushing a movement, it isn't working.

I’ll trust the folks who specialize in the history of the GOP over you.

The Democrats had 51 high level intelligence folks sign...sign, a document that the LT was not Hunters but Russian by origin. Not a few, not even a dozen...but 51. Is that by chance or an as you wrote....a planned movement, maybe not an overhaul but a movement to keep the club blue. 51 Kish, and no retractions.

Thanks to honor for debunking this nonsense one more time.

Courts are chosen by the winners, not by any foundation...I just google the appeal court appointments majorities, the Democrats have 7, the Republicans 6.

Um, yes. You are telling a selective story and omitting the fact that the GOP stole a seat from Obama. And also Trump did use a list prepared by the Federalist Society (not the Heritage Foundation, my mistake).

Well saying Trump is not a leader is odd, he seen to have done okay for himself in Business and in politics. I get you don't like him, and hate him, but to say he is not a leaders is just off the charts.

We are in a mess, and Trump is certainly not my first pick, but compared Biden and Harris there is really no other choice.

Honestly, do you think Biden has a clue of what he is doing?

[Markk]

Say what you like about Trump, yes he is an A-hole, but he leads and he is not being lead by anyone but himself...right or wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb, that you haven't read any of the books written by members of Trump's White House staff on how easily he is manipulated by the media, wealthy people, foreign heads of state, and celebrities?

Heck, Trump just did a complete 180 last month on his near decade long anti-immigrant dance after having his palms greased by some wealthy donors that rely on... you guessed it... immigrants.

And who can forget his infamous 15 flip-flops in 15 days in November 2016.

I guess if you're going to worship someone, you might as well stick to the tried and true methods, and create a whopper of a myth to accompany the worship.

LOL come on DS....he is a business man and a BS'er, big time. And Biden is circling the drain, and Harris is LOL, you tell me, her fruit is so low hanging I dare not go to. We are truly in a mess.

I just spent about 30 minutes reading posts from many here, while looking for the post that doc pasted about Hunters lap top, spend some time and read some of those.....it is a testimony that opinions are like assholes for sure.

Take care