A View From the Left

[Kishkumen]

Again, a theory in which you conspire to parrot the talking points.

Sorry Kish. I think I do like you, but damn brother. C'mon.

A journeyman electrician in Wichita or Cincinnati has no spare F's to give for paying or a war in Ukraine. You have a luxury here, he doesn't. Your points, and even your information, may be valid and relevant to globalists and people that benefit from those feelings. A journeyman pipefitter may vote the opposite of you specifically based on your rhetoric and lack of empathy.

Help me out - what in the hell is so complicated about this? Why is it such a threat that a person working in the trades and hoping for a pension would not have the same priorities as you and get sick and tired of the insults?

Which insults in my post about Trump and Putin would the journeyman electrician be upset about? And why? I am sure our journeyman pipefitter might insult Biden, Nancy Pelosi, John McCain, Liz Cheney, and so forth, and I would not lose any sleep at night over that.

We all have the ability to cast our votes in the next election, and I hope that takes care of it. Sure, I will be extremely sad to live in a lost Republic, but I don't have the luxury of moving to a different country to start life over again. And, heck, maybe I can hope that someday the country will wake up and prefer freedom at home over Putin's freedom to own Ukraine.

[Binger]

2. The conspiracy is among the rich to get richer at the expense of the rest of us. They control our politics. They control our economy.

They also control the information flow (as well as information that they decide should not flow) as well as the narratives constructed from the information flow. This has great impact and influence. The strategic intent is for ultimate control, instilling fear, and the manipulation of people.

Agreed.

[yellowstone123]

I say Trump is more like Nixon than Hitler.

I am curious to know how far you think this comparison goes before it ceases to be useful. I think it is true that Nixon had a scarily robust idea of presidential power, and that he was willing to break the law. The key difference, however, is one of times and context. Nixon's Republican party was one that was a lot healthier. Very few people in his own party, at the end of the day, were willing to tolerate his lawlessness.

Of course, there are many differences that would make me prefer Nixon over Trump any day.

Nixon was not pushing the policies desired by right-wing Evangelical Christianity on the nation.

Nixon was highly intelligent, well educated, and very experienced.

Nixon actually forwarded many policies that would be rejected by the Republican party today for being "liberal."

Nixon was not an isolationist or populist.

Nixon is in the same solar system while Hitler is in a different universe.

Not a different universe, unfortunately; more like different hemispheres of the same planet.

Like Hitler, Trump is a charismatic demagogue who uses fear and lies to manipulate his followers and stir them to action.

Like Hitler, Trump isn't really a traditional politician.

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf; Trump enjoys reading and alluding to it.

Hitler had bad ideas that he enacted in national politics, and Trump has bad ideas that he has enacted and will continue to enact in national politics.

Hitler approved of using violence in politics; Trump approves of using violence in politics, unless it is someone shooting at him.

Hitler stoked hatred toward Jews and other marginalized people; Trump stokes hatred of liberals, Mexicans, Muslims, and other marginalized peoples.

You have Lincoln Project founder Rick Wilson on MSNBC saying in 2023, "They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump." Then you have some young guy, and who knows what his thoughts are going out and shooting Trump. That's closer to Nazism. And good ole MSNBC invited Rick Wilson back again and again after he advocated shooting Donald Trump.

Some young guy with unknown motives shooting at Trump is closer to Nazism than . . . .

No, actually some young guy with unknown motives shooting Trump is almost nothing like Nazism.

Kikushmen wrote:

"Some young guy with unknown motives shooting at Trump is closer to Nazism than . . . ."

"No, actually some young guy with unknown motives shooting Trump is almost nothing like Nazism."

You wrote "unknown motives," and then you repeated what you wrote. Your conclusion on my thoughts are not correct. Finish your sentence.

I wrote:

"You have Lincoln Project founder Rick Wilson on MSNBC saying in 2023,''They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump.' Then you have some young guy, and who knows what his thoughts are going out and shooting Trump. That's closer to Nazism."

[Kishkumen]

"Then you have some young guy, and who knows what his thoughts are going out and shooting Trump. That's closer to Nazism."

If no one knows what his thoughts are, is that not the same thing as ignorance regarding his motives?

What, exactly, is your quibble here?

[Binger]

Sure, I will be extremely sad to live in a lost Republic, but I don't have the luxury of moving to a different country to start life over again. And, heck, maybe I can hope that someday the country will wake up and prefer freedom at home over Putin's freedom to own Ukraine.

Yeah. Kish. I get it. If Trump wins, you will still be living in a republic. And make no mistake here, people are goddamn tired of the hypothetical talking point. Only your club members agree with you, the rest don't have time for your tears, fears, theories or parroting. It's a yawn, at best. Occasionally you might get an FU. Some might see the comment or hear and just say, meh, that again. Dozens of hundreds of people might go to a rally or get a hat.

[Morley]

You have Lincoln Project founder Rick Wilson on MSNBC saying in 2023, "They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."

This is disingenuous BS, and you don't care enough to even check it out. I watched the video of this interview posted by RedState, and noticed the interview was cropped and that the background image has some of the campaign signs blurred out, so I did a little googling. Wilson didn't say that in 2023. He said it in October of 2015, a year before the first election. He was talking about the Republican party donors figuring out who to support in the primary. Your sources are deliberately lying to you.

Chris Hayes: Let me say, here's what I would say is my position if I'm say a big sort of GOP donor class member, if I'm in the vaunted Republican establishment. I am psyched about Carson's rise, because here's what it makes me think -- in 2012, we got the chart of the primary leader that happened in that summer before the 2011 where everyone sort of gets a turn, right? Those were truncated short cycles, four, six, eight weeks and eventually went into Romney. Carson's rise at the expense of Trump makes me think hopefully, again, if I'm a donor class establishment Republican, the same thing's happening here just on a longer time scale. Does that scan to you?

Rick Wilson: Somewhat but here's the thing. But here's the thing -- Trump is still a powerful force right now and still holding a lot of the part of the base that is very activated by his message, the nativist message that's got a fraction of the base energized. The donor class can't just sit back on the sidelines and say, oh, well, don't worry, this will work itself out. They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. And that's a fact. They're still going to eventually have to figure out ways to find candidates that are going to be of the caliber and the quality level to post up against Hillary Clinton because right now, I will tell you, no matter who you support or how much you like them, neither Donald Trump or Ben Carson is ready to go up against the Clinton machine.

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https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/all-i ... msna757211

[Binger]

But I do know this about myself: in my view, the facts show that the GOP is dead, having been replaced by Trumpism operating in the shell that was the Republican Party, and that Party of Trump has completely gone off the rails. The whole thing is depressing beyond words, and extremely frightening.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwn. Again. This is an example of what I was saying. This is the Cheney, Kinzinger line. The Romney line. The mainstream media line. It doesn't phase anyone anymore. It is like calling someone racist for driving a diesel pickup truck or Nationalist/Fascist/Nazi for going to their mother's funeral at a church. Mmmmmkay, it is that again.

If the Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door are you going to join? Listen? Probably not, but if they knock on ten thousand doors they may get someone desperate enough for friends the person may join. This is how mainstream media talking points about so-called "Trumpism" sound. Oh..... it's them again, maybe someone down the street will join.

I know you are not trying to convert anyone, Kish. But empathy for your fears is exclusive to a club. You are fearing something you have mislabeled or believed. The end.

If you want to talk about populism, go for it. The GOP did get some new leadership when they were down. They had a choice, war whoring or populism. The populists voted Cheney out, for example. They are coming for McConnell. They got Kinzinger. They got the Speaker. They are coming. Fear Americans. But call it what it is and not what it ain't. If you cared about reality, you would listen to them. If you need affirmation, you will stay the course. I say that respectfully, changing course and listening effing sucks.

[ceeboo]

We all have the ability to cast our votes in the next election, and I hope that takes care of it. Sure, I will be extremely sad to live in a lost Republic

"Extremely sad to live in a lost Republic" is a statement that in littered with the intentional promotion of fear and political rhetoric. These personal opinions, that are masked as facts, have been heard, and heard, and heard, and heard. Repeating something, no matter how many times they are said, does not make them true. They are personal opinion and I have no issue with you having your opinions. The issue I have is when you suggest your opinions are factual.

How could you know, factually speaking, that our Republic will be lost - Or that this would be the end of our democracy, prior to the election happening and the supposed awful events taking place?



 

[yellowstone123]

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[Kishkumen]

You are correct, Morley. It was 2015.

And the message was clearly not what your lying source made it out to be.