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In this Secret Service situation, maybe it would be best to have a bunch of really big guys watching the first family. Why they had a short woman trying to shield DJT is beyond me.
Some years back, a foreign dignitary was speaking at my university, and I got on the elevator with a bunch of SS-type agents. I am not a short woman, but I felt very, very small on that elevator. Not one was less than 6'5, 6'6. I remember thinking that height must be a requirement, and the larger the better. (No discernible sense of humor, though, If I recall correctly, however they were on the job.)

So, I agree with your comment about having "a bunch of really big guys" for security, but as far as I can tell, the Secret Service doesn't seem to have a minimum height requirement. Does anyone know any more about that?
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Marcus wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:04 pm
Some years back, a foreign dignitary was speaking at my university, and I got on the elevator with a bunch of SS-type agents. I am not a short woman, but I felt very, very small on that elevator. Not one was less than 6'5, 6'6. I remember thinking that height must be a requirement, and the larger the better. (No discernible sense of humor, though, If I recall correctly, however they were on the job.)

So, I agree with your comment about having "a bunch of really big guys" for security, but as far as I can tell, the Secret Service doesn't seem to have a minimum height requirement. Does anyone know any more about that?
Here are the qualifications to be Secret Service:

https://www.secretservice.gov/careers/s ... ifications
To be considered for the position of special agent, applicants must meet the following requirements:
Be a U.S. Citizen.
Be at least 21 years of age at the time of application, and younger than 37 upon receipt of a conditional offer of employment, to continue in the application process*.
*Applicants with Veterans' Preference must be at least 21 years of age at time of application and younger than 40 upon receipt of a conditional offer of employment, to continue in the application process.
Possess a current valid driver's license.
Possess uncorrected visual acuity of no worse than 20/100 binocular. Possess corrected visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye.*
*LASIK, ALK, RK, and PRK corrective eye surgeries are acceptable eye surgeries for Special Agent applicants. Applicants will be considered eligible for the Special Agent position provided specific visual tests are passed. The following are waiting periods for visual tests: LASIK-2 months after surgery, PRK-6 months after surgery, and ALK and RK-one year after surgery.
Pass a hearing exam.*
*Hearing loss, as measured by an audiometer, must not exceed 25 decibels (A.S.A. or equivalent I.S.O.) in either ear in the 500, 1000, and 2000 Hz ranges.
Have no visible body markings. The Secret Service prohibits employees from having visible body markings (including but not limited to tattoos, body art, and branding) on the head, face, neck, hand, and fingers (any area below the wrist bone) (exception: a single conservative and unobtrusive tattoo in the form of a ring (e.g., wedding band) is authorized on one finger). If you have visible body markings, you will be required to medically remove such visible body markings at your own expense prior to entering on duty with the Secret Service.
Be in excellent health and physical condition and pass an Applicant Physical Abilities Test.
Qualify for Top Secret clearance and undergo a complete background investigation, including driving record check, drug screening, medical and polygraph examinations.
Sign a mobility agreement stating your willingness to accept assignments anywhere within the United States and overseas.
Certify that you have registered with the Selective Service System or are exempt from having to do so (if you are a male applicant born after December 31, 1959).
Be appointed to this position under an excepted appointment which is limited to 3 years and 120 days. Upon completion of this period, you will either be converted to career status or separated based on the expiration of the appointment.
Carry and use a firearm.*
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:42 pm
DEI has become the MAGA boogeyman for everything that goes wrong today.
BS!
I dunno. I have seen some stoooopid FOX News segments asking if DEI were responsible for this, that, and the other. I don't think DEI is sacrosanct, by any means, but some of these segments really boggled my mind. I think that FOX even blamed a downturn in the economy on DEI. Res Ipsa has a point, in my opinion. And, come on, Megan Kelly blaming the fact that Donald Trump got shot in the ear on DEI? I mean, if there needs to be a conversation about the arbitrary 30% target for women in the Secret Service, fine, and I suppose it is one way to start that conversation, but next we are going to be asked to attribute breakdowns in the supply chain on DEI or maybe the bumper crop in cicadas will be blamed on DEI. It does get a little silly.
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Third-person anecdote of sorts. This is kind of a game of telephone, even as far as anecdotes go, so grain of salt and all that jazz.

I have a friend who is an FBI agent that I chatted with while at lunch. He primarily works with financial crimes, and so regularly works with IRS agents, the Treasury (not sure if they have their own agents), and the Secret Service. Paraphrasing from memory (it’s only been about 30 minutes, but that’s an eternity for my noggin to retain something sometimes):

From some of his conversations with SS, they usually tag field offices for political security details for events. So, people whose bread-and-butter isn’t protective assignments, but investigating crimes (bank/mail/wire fraud, counterfeit currency, etc.) A President (or other high risk/ranked individual) will have their regular detail that travels with them, but they’ll also have to enlist people from the nearest field office(s) when traveling to cover all of the security requirements. My friend’s guess/assumption is that quite a few of the SS agents there likely spend their days investigating crimes, and hadn’t had to do a protective assignment since their training days (and were probably a few years of field service away from getting their first official protective assignment).

Again speculative anecdote, but I thought it was interesting and figured it might be worth passing along.
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Marcus wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:04 pm
Some years back, a foreign dignitary was speaking at my university, and I got on the elevator with a bunch of SS-type agents. I am not a short woman, but I felt very, very small on that elevator. Not one was less than 6'5, 6'6. I remember thinking that height must be a requirement, and the larger the better. (No discernible sense of humor, though, If I recall correctly, however they were on the job.)

So, I agree with your comment about having "a bunch of really big guys" for security, but as far as I can tell, the Secret Service doesn't seem to have a minimum height requirement. Does anyone know any more about that?
Here are the qualifications to be Secret Service:

https://www.secretservice.gov/careers/s ... ifications
To be considered for the position of special agent, applicants must meet the following requirements:
Be a U.S. Citizen.
Be at least 21 years of age at the time of application, and younger than 37 upon receipt of a conditional offer of employment, to continue in the application process*.
*Applicants with Veterans' Preference must be at least 21 years of age at time of application and younger than 40 upon receipt of a conditional offer of employment, to continue in the application process.
Possess a current valid driver's license.
Possess uncorrected visual acuity of no worse than 20/100 binocular. Possess corrected visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye.*
*LASIK, ALK, RK, and PRK corrective eye surgeries are acceptable eye surgeries for Special Agent applicants. Applicants will be considered eligible for the Special Agent position provided specific visual tests are passed. The following are waiting periods for visual tests: LASIK-2 months after surgery, PRK-6 months after surgery, and ALK and RK-one year after surgery.
Pass a hearing exam.*
*Hearing loss, as measured by an audiometer, must not exceed 25 decibels (A.S.A. or equivalent I.S.O.) in either ear in the 500, 1000, and 2000 Hz ranges.
Have no visible body markings. The Secret Service prohibits employees from having visible body markings (including but not limited to tattoos, body art, and branding) on the head, face, neck, hand, and fingers (any area below the wrist bone) (exception: a single conservative and unobtrusive tattoo in the form of a ring (e.g., wedding band) is authorized on one finger). If you have visible body markings, you will be required to medically remove such visible body markings at your own expense prior to entering on duty with the Secret Service.
Be in excellent health and physical condition and pass an Applicant Physical Abilities Test.
Qualify for Top Secret clearance and undergo a complete background investigation, including driving record check, drug screening, medical and polygraph examinations.
Sign a mobility agreement stating your willingness to accept assignments anywhere within the United States and overseas.
Certify that you have registered with the Selective Service System or are exempt from having to do so (if you are a male applicant born after December 31, 1959).
Be appointed to this position under an excepted appointment which is limited to 3 years and 120 days. Upon completion of this period, you will either be converted to career status or separated based on the expiration of the appointment.
Carry and use a firearm.*
Yes, that's the one I read too. So, no height requirement, which seems odd when they are required to physically shield someone with their body. Of course, if the protected person won't cooperate and stay down, then it's even more of a problem.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:40 pm
Third-person anecdote of sorts. This is kind of a game of telephone, even as far as anecdotes go, so grain of salt and all that jazz.

I have a friend who is an FBI agent that I chatted with while at lunch. He primarily works with financial crimes, and so regularly works with IRS agents, the Treasury (not sure if they have their own agents), and the Secret Service. Paraphrasing from memory (it’s only been about 30 minutes, but that’s an eternity for my noggin to retain something sometimes):

From some of his conversations with SS, they usually tag field offices for political security details for events. So, people whose bread-and-butter isn’t protective assignments, but investigating crimes (bank/mail/wire fraud, counterfeit currency, etc.) A President (or other high risk/ranked individual) will have their regular detail that travels with them, but they’ll also have to enlist people from the nearest field office(s) when traveling to cover all of the security requirements. My friend’s guess/assumption is that quite a few of the SS agents there likely spend their days investigating crimes, and hadn’t had to do a protective assignment since their training days (and were probably a few years of field service away from getting their first official protective assignment).

Again speculative anecdote, but I thought it was interesting and figured it might be worth passing along.
That sounds plausible, Steuss.

Here's my issue: We are talking about Donald J. Trump here. A man hated by millions of people. A man who has had his nards pulled out of the flames by partisan guardian angels much to the outrage of millions of Americans. A man who loves Vladimir Putin and other dictators. A man whose idea of restraint in public office is that he will only be a dictator on the first day of his presidency. A man who has raped more than one woman. A man who kept classified documents next to the toilet he can't even flush his gargantuan turds down.

So, given the fact that this guy is one of the most divisive personalities on the planet, you have to put that effer in a popemobile and surround him with all kinds of security precautions. There should have been Secret Service snipers on every building around that place. How could anyone not know this?

I think it is outrageous, and I would love nothing more than for God to intervene and send Donald to that giant gold toilet in the sky (with super flushing capabilities). But, come on, this is a colossal eff up. I think the only reason we are not beside ourselves with outrage is that most of us would be really relieved if the Donald were gone. I dearly hope no assassination attempt would be the culprit, or anything illegal, but, hey, if he tripped and hit the corner of his fat head on the sharp corner of a marble table? Act of God. I am relieved. So we subconsciously don't want to get worked up over it: "Oh, yeah! I guess that was kind of odd that there was inadequate security at his rally. Oops! Someone ought to look into that!"
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Maybe it's a simple matter of the SS taking their job as seriously as Trump does. Trump regularly surrounds himself with incompetent people, and fires competent people.
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Marcus wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:48 pm
Yes, that's the one I read too. So, no height requirement, which seems odd when they are required to physically shield someone with their body. Of course, if the protected person won't cooperate and stay down, then it's even more of a problem.
I figured you probably had read it, but sometimes I get too busy to look up stuff and maybe, just maybe, it was not convenient for you to look at it (so I reasoned).

In any case, yeah, you would think there would be something like a 6-foot-tall minimum height requirement for men and women. (I have had more than one woman in my circle who was 6' or taller.) And, I think one should assume that the person being guarded may be too stupid or reckless (both apply to Trump) to act in their own security interests, so it is not beyond contemplation that this individual would have to be bearhandled in such a way as to compel cooperation.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:54 pm
Maybe it's a simple matter of the SS taking their job as seriously as Trump does. Trump regularly surrounds himself with incompetent people, and fires competent people.
Wouldn't the Secret Service get final say in an event like this one?

I mean, yeah, if security were up to Trump, he'd probably be dead already.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:56 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:54 pm
Maybe it's a simple matter of the SS taking their job as seriously as Trump does. Trump regularly surrounds himself with incompetent people, and fires competent people.
Wouldn't the Secret Service get final say in an event like this one?

I mean, yeah, if security were up to Trump, he'd probably be dead already.
I was joking, mostly. I don't think Trump gets to pick his detail.
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