Assassination Attempt - Secret Service - DEI

[Kishkumen]

If there are two people who are absolutely equally qualified, is it wrong to have a policy in place that leads to the selection of an under-represented minority?

Not in my view.

[ceeboo]

She would perhaps be the best person to ask for clarification or further information.

You think Megyn would be the best person to ask for clarification or further information?

I think the best person to ask is the director of the Secret Service.

I don't think most people here would have ever landed on DEI as the reason Trump was in danger. Maybe you are asking the wrong people.

Most people here? Perhaps you have a point.

[ceeboo]

How could I tell you if I don't know? I would like to know more about the process. I would like to hear from the director of the SS about the events that took place. Should we really need to force the director to provide answers by subpoena and have it done on Capitol Hill and make this all about politicians and their obvious loyalties to their party put on display? That's what all of these turn out to be, no real answers - just political circus. These circuses are not good for America and these circuses do not rise to the level that all Americans deserve.

When hiring a SS agent and/or when deciding who will be placed in certain roles at an event, how much weight is given to the gender of a person? How much weight is given to the sexual orientation of a person? How much weight is given to the color of skin?

If there are several people seeking a job opening at the SS - Is the SS selecting the most qualified applicant? Or are we selecting the 3rd most qualified because they are female? Or are we selecting the 2nd most qualified because of their sexual preference? Or are we selecting the 5th most qualified because of they are both female and sexual preference.

I don't know any of these answers, but I would like to find out. In roles like this (SS protection of Presidents) I would like to have the most qualified people filling the positions. Period!

If there are two people who are absolutely equally qualified, is it wrong to have a policy in place that leads to the selection of an under-represented minority?

Can you point me to a place in the quote you quoted - or anywhere on this thread - or anywhere in the northern hemisphere, that I suggested what you are implying?

[Morley]

If there are two people who are absolutely equally qualified, is it wrong to have a policy in place that leads to the selection of an under-represented minority?

Can you point me to a place in the quote you quoted - or anywhere on this thread - or anywhere in the northern hemisphere, that I suggested what you are implying?

What do you think I'm implying?

[Kishkumen]

You think Megyn would be the best person to ask for clarification or further information?

I think the best person to ask is the director of the Secret Service.

So, Megyn Kelly pulls a topic out of her ass, and you think the director of the Secret Service is obliged to answer her questions. Kelly should do some of her own homework to figure out whether her claim has any merit.

Most people here? Perhaps you have a point.

Yeah! Because most of us need some kind of evidence to lend credence to a claim, and we are pretty open to accepting real evidence as such. That's how a number of us came to the conclusion that the LDS Church was not for us, and that is how I came to the conclusion that the GOP was not for me. (Invasion of Iraq on false pretenses did it for me.)

[ceeboo]

Can you point me to a place in the quote you quoted - or anywhere on this thread - or anywhere in the northern hemisphere, that I suggested what you are implying?

What do you think I'm implying?

Morley, I am getting bored.

I never suggested anything about two people that have the same qualification. I want to know if DEI policy is selecting less qualified people based on things that should not be being considered for the position. I don't know if this is the case, but I would like to find out. If I find out it is the case, I would be VERY concerned and I would be in support of rejecting such a policy. Immediately.

[ceeboo]

You think Megyn would be the best person to ask for clarification or further information?

I think the best person to ask is the director of the Secret Service.

So, Megyn Kelly pulls a topic out of her ass, and you think the director of the Secret Service is obliged to answer her questions. Kelly should do some of her own homework to figure out whether her claim has any merit.

Most people here? Perhaps you have a point.

Yeah! Because most of us need some kind of evidence to lend credence to a claim, and we are pretty open to accepting real evidence as such. That's how a number of us came to the conclusion that the LDS Church was not for us, and that is how I came to the conclusion that the GOP was not for me. (Invasion of Iraq on false pretenses did it for me.)

Does the SS have a policy that wants 30 percent of their SS agents to be female by 2030? If yes, do you believe that this would be evidence? If yes, do you believe that it's legitimate to look into possible impacts that such a policy may or may not have on the duties and responsibilities of the agency?

[Kishkumen]

Does the SS have a policy that wants 30 percent of their SS agents to be female by 2030? If yes, do you believe that this would be evidence? If yes, do you believe that it's legitimate to look into possible impacts that such a policy may or may not have on the duties and responsibilities of the agency?

I think that the unsubstantiated assertion that this policy has had a negative impact needs to be substantiated first. Plenty of people on this thread have offered good reasons for doubting the assertion that this DEI policy is in any way responsible for Trump getting shot on the ear.

I would say that the most reasonable conclusion to draw here is that law enforcement and the Secret Service did not pay adequate attention to warnings that the gunman was present and climbing on top of a building. I don't think solving that problem requires male-only agents.

[Res Ipsa]

It’s not a coincidence that Ms. Kelly raised DEI as an issue. I posted links above to show how DEI is the most recent boogeyman used by opinion leaders on the right to stoke grievance politics.

I am 100% in favor of problem solving. What’s the problem? A guy with a gun got to a place that he should not have been able to get to. How to solve that problem? The first step is figuring out what happened in a rational, dispassionate manner. What was the failure? Planning? Resources? Staffing? Training? Execution of training? We can’t solve a problem before we have facts sufficient to identify the cause or specific causes.

Is there any reason to believe that 5’ 2” agents had any causal role in Trump being nearly killed? If not, why are we even talking about it? It’s not problem solving — it’s inventing problems to stoke resentment and suspicion.

It is not hard to manufacture grievances against the government. It’s the bread and butter of the MAGA caucus: make an unreasonable demand. If it’s met, escalate to a more unreasonable demand. If it’s not, climb on That high horse and start pontificating about government accountability and the people’s right to know. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. It’s why we see Congressional Committees spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on snipe hunts.

We all like to think of ourselves as independent thinkers with the best of intentions. But we have a truckload of studies that show how our decisions are significantly driven by all kinds of things that we aren’t conscious of.

Here’s what political campaigns do today. Your vote in the last election is secret. The fact that you voted is not. The campaigns create databases of individual voters and assign a type of strategy to each. An example of this from Trump’s campaign has been circulating recently, and you can see the strategy assigned to each voter, including one called “Deterr.”

That example is from the Trump campaign, but it’s what all major campaigns do. The campaigns micro target voters, selecting information to push to each category of voters that it thinks is most likely to get the individual to vote for the candidate or to not vote at all.

I don’t know how effective this technique is, but campaign managers think it is very effective.

As fellow sentient clumps of carbon who want to be good people and responsible citizens of our country, how can we do that when our poor brains are being boarded with information tasted at us with the intent to push buttons that we don’t know are there to wring a vote out of us?

I dunno. My WAG is that the worst thing we could do is act like third graders and tell “you’re only saying that because you’ve been taught to say that.” “I am rubber, you are glee has never fixed a single problem in the history of history.

As for the best? I dunno. I think a good start is to try and be aware of the fact that we are not independent individuals making opinions in a vacuum. We are heavily influenced in ways we don’t perceive by the context we find ourselves embedded in. And that context is created by people who want us to give them our money or our votes. And I think we needs to be willing to openly and honestly look for and discuss with each other how to spot and sort through what the people who want something from us are telling us.

If we’re not willing to do that, I don’t see how we the people get off this escalator of fear and anger.

[Res Ipsa]

How could I tell you if I don't know? I would like to know more about the process. I would like to hear from the director of the SS about the events that took place. Should we really need to force the director to provide answers by subpoena and have it done on Capitol Hill and make this all about politicians and their obvious loyalties to their party put on display? That's what all of these turn out to be, no real answers - just political circus. These circuses are not good for America and these circuses do not rise to the level that all Americans deserve.

When hiring a SS agent and/or when deciding who will be placed in certain roles at an event, how much weight is given to the gender of a person? How much weight is given to the sexual orientation of a person? How much weight is given to the color of skin?

If there are several people seeking a job opening at the SS - Is the SS selecting the most qualified applicant? Or are we selecting the 3rd most qualified because they are female? Or are we selecting the 2nd most qualified because of their sexual preference? Or are we selecting the 5th most qualified because of they are both female and sexual preference.

I don't know any of these answers, but I would like to find out. In roles like this (SS protection of Presidents) I would like to have the most qualified people filling the positions. Period!

Maybe you should write to Megyn Kelly and ask her to do what her segment on this question failed to do. I mean that seriously. She posed the question, and you took her seriously, but she does not seem to have satisfied you with her suggestions. She would perhaps be the best person to ask for clarification or further information.

I don't think most people here would have ever landed on DEI as the reason Trump was in danger. Maybe you are asking the wrong people.

“Just asking questions” is a political strategy, not by Ceeboo, but by Ms. Kelly.