Prediction: Bye, Bye, Biden

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Re: Prediction: Bye, Bye, Biden

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drumdude wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:11 am
I found his speech a little disingenuous. He didn’t offer a reason why he is abandoning the campaign, and he didn’t offer justification why he is still capable of running the country for another 6 months.

These are more important issues than whatever platitudes he wants to impart. His speech sounds very similar to my grandmother’s after her stroke. I think questioning his ability to continue is prudent, and it’s frustrating that we continue to be stonewalled and gaslighted about his health.
His speech sounds like your grandmother after a stroke? I'll let that claim stand without comment.

Disingenuous? He didn't offer a reason? More important issues than platitudes? As to justification about why he's still capable of running the country...he's been doing the job and continues to do it right now. Justification? I think you have got to be joking. His justification is the record he continues to build.

Here's the full speech. Maybe you would like to read what he actually said.
My fellow Americans, I’m speaking to you tonight from behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office. In this sacred space, I’m surrounded by portraits of extraordinary American presidents. Thomas Jefferson wrote the immortal words that guide this nation. George Washington showed us presidents are not kings. Abraham Lincoln implored us to reject malice. Franklin Roosevelt inspired us to reject fear.

I revere this office, but I love my country more. It’s been the honor of my life to serve as your president. But in the defense of democracy, which is at stake, I think it’s more important than any title. I draw strength and find joy in working for the American people. But this sacred task of perfecting our union is not about me, it’s about you. Your families, your futures.

It’s about we the people. And we can never forget that. And I never have. I’ve made it clear that I believe America is at an inflection point. On those rare moments in history, when the decisions we make now determine our fate of our nation and the world for decades to come, America is going to have to choose between moving forward or backward, between hope and hate, between unity and division.

We have to decide: Do we still believe in honesty, decency, respect, freedom, justice and democracy. In this moment, we can see those we disagree with not as enemies but as, I mean, fellow Americans — can we do that? Does character in public life still matter? I believe you know the answer to these questions because I know you the American people, and I know this:

We are a great nation because we are a good people. When you elected me to this office, I promised to always level with you, to tell you the truth. And the truth, the sacred cause of this country, is larger than any one of us. Those of us who cherry that cause cherish it so much. The cause of American democracy itself. We must unite to protect it.

In recent weeks, it has become clear to me that I need to unite my party in this critical endeavor. I believe my record as president, my leadership in the world, my vision for America’s future, all merited a second term. But nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy. That includes personal ambition.

So I’ve decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. It’s the best way to unite our nation. I know there was a time and a place for long years of experience in public life. There’s also a time and a place for new voices, fresh voices, yes, younger voices. And that time and place is now.

Over the next six months, I will be focused on doing my job as president. That means I will continue to lower costs for hard-working families, grow our economy. I will keep defending our personal freedoms and civil rights, from the right to vote to the right to choose. I will keep calling out hate and extremism, making it clear there is no place, no place in America for political violence or any violence ever, period. I’m going to keep speaking out to protect our kids from gun violence, our planet from climate crisis as an existential threat.

I will keep fighting for my Cancer Moonshot, so we can end cancer as we know it because we can do it. I’m going to call for Supreme Court reform because this is critical to our democracy — Supreme Court reform. You know, I will keep working to ensure American remains strong, secure and the leader of the free world.

I’m the first president of this century to report to the American people that the United States is not at war anywhere in the world. We will keep rallying a coalition of proud nations to stop Putin from taking over Ukraine and doing more damage. We’ll keep NATO stronger, and I will make it more powerful and more united than any time in all of our history. I will keep doing the same for our allies in the Pacific. You know, when I came to the office, the conventional wisdom was that China would inevitably pass, surpass the United States.

That’s not the case anymore. And I’m going to keep working to end the war in Gaza, bring home all the hostages and bring peace and security to the Middle East and end this war. We are also working around the clock to bring home Americans being unjustly detained all around the world.

You know, we’ve come so far since my inauguration. On that day, I told you as I stood in that winter — we are stood in a winter of peril and winter of possibilities. Peril and possibilities. We are in the group of, we were in the group of the worse pandemic in the century. The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. The worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. We came together as Americans. We got through it. We emerged stronger, more prosperous and more secure.

Today we have the strongest economy in the world, creating nearly 16 million new jobs — a record. Wages are up, inflation continues to come down, the racial wealth gap is the lowest it’s been in 20 years. We are literally rebuilding our entire nation — urban, suburban and rural and tribal communities. Manufacturing has come back to America. We are leading the world again in chips and science and innovation. We finally beat Big Pharma after all these years to lower the cost of prescription drugs for seniors.

And I’m going to keep fighting to make sure we lower the cost for everyone, not just seniors. More people have health care today in America than ever before. I signed one of the most significant laws helping millions of veterans and their families who were exposed to toxic materials. You know, most significant climate law ever, ever in the history of the world. The first major gun safety law in 30 years.

And today, the violent crime rate is at a 50-year low. We are also securing our border. Border crossings are lower today than when the previous administration left office. I’ve kept my commitment to appoint the first Black woman to the Supreme Court of the United States of America. I also kept my commitment to have an administration that looks like America and be a president for all Americans. That’s what I’ve done.

I ran for president four years ago because I believed and still do that the soul of America was at stake. The very nature of who we are was at stake. That is still the case. America is an idea. An idea stronger than any army, bigger than any ocean, more powerful than any dictator or tyrant. It’s the most powerful idea in the history of the world. That idea is that we hold these truths to be self-evident.

We are all created equal, endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights: life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. We’ve never fully lived up to it — to this sacred idea — but we’ve never walked away from it either. And I do not believe the American people will walk away from it now.

In just a few months, the American people will choose the course of America’s future. I made my choice. I’ve made my views known. I would like to thank our great vice president, Kamala Harris. She is experienced, she is tough, she is capable. She’s been an incredible partner to me and a leader for our country.

Now the choice is up to you, the American people. When you make that choice, remember the words of Benjamin Franklin hanging on my wall here in the Oval Office, alongside the busts of Dr. King and Rosa Parks and Cesar Chavez.

When Ben Franklin was asked, as he emerged from the convention going on, whether the founders have given America a monarchy or a republic, Franklin’s response was: “A republic, if you can keep it.” A republic, if you can keep it. Whether we keep our republic is now in your hands. My fellow Americans, it’s been the privilege of my life to serve this nation for over 50 years.

Nowhere else on Earth could a kid with a stutter from modest beginnings in Scranton, Pa., and in Claymont, Del., one day sit behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office as the president of the United States, but here I am.

That’s what’s so special about America. We are a nation of promise and possibilities. Of dreamers and doers. Of ordinary Americans doing extraordinary things. I’ve given my heart and my soul to our nation, like so many others. And I’ve been blessed a million times in return with the love and support of the American people. I hope you have some idea how grateful I am to all of you.

The great thing about America is, here kings and dictators do not rule — the people do. History is in your hands. The power’s in your hands. The idea of America lies in your hands. You just have to keep faith — keep the faith — and remember who we are. We are the United States of America, and there are simply nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together. So let’s act together, preserve our democracy. God bless you all and may God protect our troops. Thank you.
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Re: Prediction: Bye, Bye, Biden

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drumdude wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:11 am
I found his speech a little disingenuous. He didn’t offer a reason why he is abandoning the campaign, and he didn’t offer justification why he is still capable of running the country for another 6 months.

These are more important issues than whatever platitudes he wants to impart. His speech sounds very similar to my grandmother’s after her stroke. I think questioning his ability to continue is prudent, and it’s frustrating that we continue to be stonewalled and gaslighted about his health.
I think he made it pretty clear that he felt he wasn't keeping his party together, and did what he thought was best for the country and step aside from running and campaigning to open the door for someone younger.

He wasn't saying he couldn't do the job of President, and it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that because he's stepping aside from running for President (for political reasons), that makes him unfit to continue in the job his administration has been doing quite effectively.

This was a political decision, not an admission of incompetence. And rightfully so.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:38 am
Maybe you would like to read what he actually said.
It doesn’t do justice to how he actually delivered it. Did you listen to the audio?
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Comment I made to a sibling:

Utah is one of those bitterly red anti-establishment places that is yet controlled by a different establishment so I imagine the discourse there is largely how to hate on this change to the establishment. Utah is funny like that. Nothing is cooler than being too smart for the room I guess. It's part of why I tell folks I'd never move back.

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drumdude wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:17 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:38 am
Maybe you would like to read what he actually said.
It doesn’t do justice to how he actually delivered it. Did you listen to the audio?
No I didn't listen to audio. I viewed the speech on live stream.
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Kamala Harris will be counting the votes. Will it be a rerun of 2020 and now "Hang Kamala Harris?"

She has been attacked for her laugh, not having her own children and not going down to the border. If Trump wins, will Justice Cannon get a SCUSA position?
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I appreciated the President's comments. He effectively confirmed that the only reason he stepped out of the race was due to the internal pressure being the kind of distraction that would cost Democrats the election not because he thought he couldn't do it which is consistent with everything else he has said. You can disagree with that assesment but you can't claim he didn't answer why he stepped aside. From that answer it is easy to conclude that he doesn't feel the need to justify remaining President. His review of the work done and what is still in front of him is also the exact messaging his supporters want to see.
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drumdude wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:11 am
I found his speech a little disingenuous. He didn’t offer a reason why he is abandoning the campaign, and he didn’t offer justification why he is still capable of running the country for another 6 months.

These are more important issues than whatever platitudes he wants to impart. His speech sounds very similar to my grandmother’s after her stroke. I think questioning his ability to continue is prudent, and it’s frustrating that we continue to be stonewalled and gaslighted about his health.
Man. It’s so disheartening to see someone feel that speech was disingenuous. It was a beautiful homage to our democracy, and a shining example of the kind of people a functioning democracy needs in order to persist. I admire a person who can put the greater need ahead of themselves, and I hope history looks upon his presidency with kindness. I thought he did a good job steadying the ship in the stormy waters of fascism that swirls around us.

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Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:00 pm
Man. It’s so disheartening to see someone feel that speech was disingenuous. It was a beautiful homage to our democracy, and a shining example of the kind of people a functioning democracy needs in order to persist. I admire a person who can put the greater need ahead of themselves, and I hope history looks upon his presidency with kindness. I thought he did a good job steadying the ship in the stormy waters of fascism that swirls around us.

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Well said, Doc. Well said.
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Xenophon wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:20 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:00 pm
Man. It’s so disheartening to see someone feel that speech was disingenuous. It was a beautiful homage to our democracy, and a shining example of the kind of people a functioning democracy needs in order to persist. I admire a person who can put the greater need ahead of themselves, and I hope history looks upon his presidency with kindness. I thought he did a good job steadying the ship in the stormy waters of fascism that swirls around us.

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Well said, Doc. Well said.

It's pretty hard for me to see it as anything but a classy move. I think Biden's speech reflected that.
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