Hersh: Obama Did It

[honorentheos]

"Why is Hersh the only journalist claiming this?" is the actual question. If you don't understand this, you don't understand.

It relies on information already known before it's release to build credibility for the "official".

The narrative it serves is one specific to conservative media intent on paint Obama as a one-man illuminati and Biden as an bumbling incompetent. It posits something so extreme it has to be built up first.

It's actually amusing to me to see people become agitated because a tactic used by conmen got pointed out. That's the thing that sets you off? Ok.

[Kishkumen]

"Why is Hersh the only journalist claiming this?" is the actual question. If you don't understand this, you don't understand.

It relies on information already known before it's release to build credibility for the "official".

The narrative it serves is one specific to conservative media intent on paint Obama as a one-man illuminati and Biden as an bumbling incompetent. It posits something so extreme it has to be built up first.

It's actually amusing to me to see people become agitated because a tactic used by conmen got pointed out. That's the thing that sets you off? Ok.

So, the Pulitzer-Prize-winning journalist who covered the My Lai massacre and the torture at Abu Ghraib, among other things, is now a conman in your estimation? You need to settle down.

[honorentheos]

"Why is Hersh the only journalist claiming this?" is the actual question. If you don't understand this, you don't understand.

It relies on information already known before it's release to build credibility for the "official".

The narrative it serves is one specific to conservative media intent on paint Obama as a one-man illuminati and Biden as an bumbling incompetent. It posits something so extreme it has to be built up first.

It's actually amusing to me to see people become agitated because a tactic used by conmen got pointed out. That's the thing that sets you off? Ok.

So, the Pulitzer-Prize-winning journalist who covered the My Lai massacre and the torture at Abu Ghraib, among other things, is now a conman in your estimation? You need to settle down.

The evidence is what matters, Kish. You know that.

[Kishkumen]

The evidence is what matters, Kish. You know that.

That's a nice way to admit that you are off-base in your mischaracterization of a journalist who has done important work.

There is a big difference between saying, "I don't believe his source," and, "this guy is no better than Rush Limbaugh."

Judgment also matters, honorentheos.

[Xenophon]

That's a nice way to admit that you are off-base in your mischaracterization of a journalist who has done important work.

There is a big difference between saying, "I don't believe his source," and, "this guy is no better than Rush Limbaugh."

Judgment also matters, honorentheos.

I'd also argue there is a big difference between "this guy is no better than Rush Limbaugh" and "this article is structured exactly like Limbaugh used to do" which is all I see honor saying in this thread. Honors comments have been heavily focused on the structure and delivery of this specific claim, not Hersh's work at large.

[Dr Exiled]

Then perhaps Honor should provide a few concrete examples of Limbaugh's work and compare them to Hersh's article? That way we can all see how Hersh is like Limbaugh. I think it's just a smear relied on to justify a hasty conclusion about an article Honor doesn't like, but I'm open to changing my mind.

[Moksha]

Then perhaps Honor should provide a few concrete examples of Limbaugh's work and compare them to Hersh's article? That way we can all see how Hersh is like Limbaugh. I think it's just a smear relied on to justify a hasty conclusion about an article Honor doesn't like, but I'm open to changing my mind.

While Honors is at it, would you like him to provide extra examples of that Pedo Pizza Parlor? That might settle inquisitive minds who dare to dream.

[Dr Exiled]

Then perhaps Honor should provide a few concrete examples of Limbaugh's work and compare them to Hersh's article? That way we can all see how Hersh is like Limbaugh. I think it's just a smear relied on to justify a hasty conclusion about an article Honor doesn't like, but I'm open to changing my mind.

While Honors is at it, would you like him to provide extra examples of that Pedo Pizza Parlor? That might settle inquisitive minds who dare to dream.

Maybe that is a job for the penguin. By the way, late happy birthday. Hope it was a good day for you.

[honorentheos]

The evidence is what matters, Kish. You know that.

That's a nice way to admit that you are off-base in your mischaracterization of a journalist who has done important work.

There is a big difference between saying, "I don't believe his source," and, "this guy is no better than Rush Limbaugh."

Judgment also matters, honorentheos.

True. Judgement also matters.

Let's suppose the possibility the claim that Obama threatened Biden with the the use of the 25th amendment could go either way.

Would you argue the probability of the claim being true is dependent on Hersh's past reporting being reliable or independent of this?

Would you argue the probability of the claim being true is dependent on if other sources also reported this independently or it is independent if other sources also report this independently?

Would you argue the probability of the claim being true is dependent on if the source provided other information that demonstrated they have the access to Obama required to know this versus the other claims requiring little to zero unique access to Obama beyond what could have been composed from other reporting? Or is ones estimate of its base truth value independent of this?

[honorentheos]

That's a nice way to admit that you are off-base in your mischaracterization of a journalist who has done important work.

There is a big difference between saying, "I don't believe his source," and, "this guy is no better than Rush Limbaugh."

Judgment also matters, honorentheos.

I'd also argue there is a big difference between "this guy is no better than Rush Limbaugh" and "this article is structured exactly like Limbaugh used to do" which is all I see honor saying in this thread. Honors comments have been heavily focused on the structure and delivery of this specific claim, not Hersh's work at large.

Thank you.