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The Rise in Political Violence
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I wish that I could believe that. None of them have been willing or able to articulate what those policies are, except ‘immigration is bad and is the cause of everything wrong in your life’.
In fairness, someone here once said that it’s only about ‘illegal immigration’. If so, then I’m not sure why Trump and Vance spent weeks villainizing legal-status immigrants with accusations of pet-eating, nor has it been explained yet what legalization mechanism makes immigrants no longer ‘poison the blood of the country’, as Trump so generously characterizes their influence.
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Ceeboo doesn't remember ever saying anything about the "politics of Christians" - Given my understanding that Christians is a very wide and complex umbrella, I couldn't imagine speaking for such a large group of individual people. Are you sure you're not just using your lively imagination again?
As a matter of fact, Ceeboo believes that, given the only two choices on the table, there will be an extremely large number of Christians that will sit this one out (And I don't hold that against any of them).
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There may be a few dozen.
Far, far more will vote for a compulsively lying, adulterous, fraud-convicted grifter who spends all of his campaign time pitting Americans against each other, because they perceive that they ‘did well’ during the last two years of a decade-long positive economic trend, before that economy broke down during Trump’s own final two years at the helm.
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You suggest a few dozen - I suggest north of 20 million. One of us is living in reality.
You suggest that Christians will be casting their vote based on "doing well" for two years - I suggest that there are many reasons why Christians choose who they choose in an election and "doing well" isn't in the top 5. One of us is living in reality.Far, far more will vote for a compulsively lying, adulterous, fraud-convicted grifter who spends all of his campaign time pitting Americans against each other, because they perceive that they ‘did well’ during the last two years of a decade-long economic trend, before that economy broke down during Trump’s own final two years at the helm.
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The last time that you used that number - 20 million - you used it to describe the number of illegal immigrants that you claimed had come across the border since Biden had taken office. Given that there was no source given or found that corroborates that number, perhaps one of us is not living in reality.
Given that no other accounting of reasons and their position on any list of relevance has been offered to address that comment, perhaps one of us is not living in reality.ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:35 amYou suggest that Christians will be casting their vote based on "doing well" for two years - I suggest that there are many reasons why Christians choose who they choose in an election and "doing well" isn't in the top 5. One of us is living in reality.Far, far more will vote for a compulsively lying, adulterous, fraud-convicted grifter who spends all of his campaign time pitting Americans against each other, because they perceive that they ‘did well’ during the last two years of a decade-long economic trend, before that economy broke down during Trump’s own final two years at the helm.
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canpakes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:49 amThe last time that you used that number - 20 million - you used it to describe the number of illegal immigrants that you claimed had come across the border since Biden had taken office. Given that there was no source given or found that corroborates that number, perhaps one of us is not living in reality.
Why 41 Million Christians Aren’t Planning to Vote This Election
Milton Quintanilla
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Oct 09, 2024
Why 41 Million Christians Aren’t Planning to Vote This Election
Millions of Christians are reportedly not planning to vote in the 2024 presidential election this November, according to a new study. The study, conducted by the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University, found that just half of interviewees (51 percent) who identified as "people of faith," including those in Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, or Islam, said that they are likely to vote in next month's election between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.
However, approximately 104 million people under the "people of faith" umbrella do not plan to vote in this election, including 41 million born-again Christians and 32 million who regularly attend church.
"I see two huge takeaways from this blockbuster report," Len Munsil, President of Arizona Christian University and a former Republican nominee for Arizona governor, said in a news release shared with Just The News. "First, that Christians could be the deciding factor in a bunch of federal and state races – and are choosing not to be. And second, that they are longing for their local church to instruct them on how to think biblically about policy and politics.
"They don't want to be told how to vote, but they do want to know why they should vote and how to view political issues from a biblical framework," he added.
The study also found several reasons why Christians are not planning to vote in November, including a lack of interest in politics (68 percent), a dislike in both major party candidates (57 percent), and a belief that their vote will not make a difference (52 percent). A smaller percentage (48 percent) believe that the election results will be manipulated.
"The 32 million Christians who regularly attend church services but are not likely to vote represent a far larger margin than the combined number of votes that decided the 2020 election in key battleground states," the study's lead researcher, Dr. George Barna, said. "If church leaders, family members, and close friends will use their influence to get reticent voters from their churches to cast a ballot on November 5, the election outcome will be meaningfully affected."
A combined total of 3,000 respondents were polled in the study, which was conducted in two phases in August and September.
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You’re right. There will be at least 20 million Christians who won’t vote, because in any given election, around half of the entire eligible voting-age population of the United States doesn’t vote, and most adult Americans - about 65% - identity as Christian.ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:08 amWhy 41 Million Christians Aren’t Planning to Vote This Electioncanpakes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:49 amThe last time that you used that number - 20 million - you used it to describe the number of illegal immigrants that you claimed had come across the border since Biden had taken office. Given that there was no source given or found that corroborates that number, perhaps one of us is not living in reality.
Milton Quintanilla
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Updated
Oct 09, 2024
Why 41 Million Christians Aren’t Planning to Vote This Election
Millions of Christians are reportedly not planning to vote in the 2024 presidential election this November, according to a new study. The study, conducted by the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University, found that just half of interviewees (51 percent) who identified as "people of faith," including those in Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, or Islam, said that they are likely to vote in next month's election between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.
However, approximately 104 million people under the "people of faith" umbrella do not plan to vote in this election, including 41 million born-again Christians and 32 million who regularly attend church.
"I see two huge takeaways from this blockbuster report," Len Munsil, President of Arizona Christian University and a former Republican nominee for Arizona governor, said in a news release shared with Just The News. "First, that Christians could be the deciding factor in a bunch of federal and state races – and are choosing not to be. And second, that they are longing for their local church to instruct them on how to think biblically about policy and politics.
"They don't want to be told how to vote, but they do want to know why they should vote and how to view political issues from a biblical framework," he added.
The study also found several reasons why Christians are not planning to vote in November, including a lack of interest in politics (68 percent), a dislike in both major party candidates (57 percent), and a belief that their vote will not make a difference (52 percent). A smaller percentage (48 percent) believe that the election results will be manipulated.
"The 32 million Christians who regularly attend church services but are not likely to vote represent a far larger margin than the combined number of votes that decided the 2020 election in key battleground states," the study's lead researcher, Dr. George Barna, said. "If church leaders, family members, and close friends will use their influence to get reticent voters from their churches to cast a ballot on November 5, the election outcome will be meaningfully affected."
A combined total of 3,000 respondents were polled in the study, which was conducted in two phases in August and September.
I don’t believe that there will be a difference in participation between this election and the last that amounts to 20 million Christians, though, and this is what I should have stated clearly.
I don’t think that the study authors would claim that, either. They’re predicting a typical turnout matching 2016 and 2012, but not as great as 2020. Per the source:
To your point, north of 20 million atheists and agnostics will also sit the election out, as they typically do every election, regardless of who’s running.Historical data indicates that turnout among the voting age population was about 54% in 2012 (Obama-Romney); 55% in 2016 (Trump-Clinton); and 61% in 2020 (Trump-Biden).
If the election had been held at the time of the survey, which was conducted approximately seven weeks prior to the election, the turnout would have been 50% of voting-age adults. Interest in voting usually rises slightly between Labor Day and Election Day, causing CRC researchers to project the November 5 turnout in the 53% to 55% range. That would put the 2024 election squarely in line with the turnout levels of 2012 and 2016, but significantly below that of 2020.
What would be truly remarkable, though, is if 20 million self-identified Christians who voted in 2020 were to sit this coming election out. Neither I nor the study authors believe that will happen.
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A recent survey backs that up. A surprising number of Christians, including evangelical Christians, say they are sitting this one out.ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:18 amCeeboo doesn't remember ever saying anything about the "politics of Christians" - Given my understanding that Christians is a very wide and complex umbrella, I couldn't imagine speaking for such a large group of individual people. Are you sure you're not just using your lively imagination again?
As a matter of fact, Ceeboo believes that, given the only two choices on the table, there will be an extremely large number of Christians that will sit this one out (And I don't hold that against any of them).
Oops. Should have read the whole thread first.
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You laugh, but Christians are voting in droves for this man, as described by his former Chief of Staff:
- DocWell, looking at the definition of fascism: It’s a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America.