How would you articulate the difference to an investigator of the Church? You know, so they could determine that what they felt was actually from the divine rather than self generated?
I would leave it up to them to determine what they feel/experience. I’ve never been one to tell someone else what they’re experiencing is one thing vs. another.
We are each on our own path and accountable to God, I believe, for our own choices based upon what we believe to be our own best judgement.
That includes you.
Regards,
MG
Previously I said “I’ve seen nobody put forward a way to reasonably and reliably conclude that humans receive sensational messages from anywhere other than from within.”
Yep, still haven’t.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
I would leave it up to them to determine what they feel/experience. I’ve never been one to tell someone else what they’re experiencing is one thing vs. another.
We are each on our own path and accountable to God, I believe, for our own choices based upon what we believe to be our own best judgement.
That includes you.
Regards,
MG
Previously I said “I’ve seen nobody put forward a way to reasonably and reliably conclude that humans receive sensational messages from anywhere other than from within.”
Yep, still haven’t.
The argument against this statement (yours) could be made on several grounds. Here are a few possibilities:
1. Religious and spiritual experiences: Some people report experiencing religious or spiritual sensations that they believe come from a source outside of themselves, such as a divine being or a higher power. These experiences are often described as deeply meaningful and transformative, and are taken by believers as evidence of the existence of a supernatural realm.
2. Extrasensory perception: Some researchers and believers argue that humans have extrasensory abilities, such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and precognition, that allow them to receive information from sources outside of their own minds. While the scientific evidence for these abilities is controversial and inconclusive, some people claim to have personal experiences that support their existence.
3. Near-death experiences: Many people who have had near-death experiences report encountering a bright light, a sense of peace and joy, and even visions of deceased loved ones or religious figures. Some interpret these experiences as evidence that the mind can receive information from outside of the body or even beyond death.
Pi A.I.
Some people believe.
Some people disbelieve.
Some people think the jury is out.
You’ve made a determination as to where you’re at. And by the sound of it you seem to be fully invested. Otherwise I think you would be at least partially open to ‘the jury is out’.
Previously I said “I’ve seen nobody put forward a way to reasonably and reliably conclude that humans receive sensational messages from anywhere other than from within.”
Yep, still haven’t.
The argument against this statement (yours) could be made on several grounds. Here are a few possibilities:
1. Religious and spiritual experiences: Some people report experiencing religious or spiritual sensations that they believe come from a source outside of themselves, such as a divine being or a higher power. These experiences are often described as deeply meaningful and transformative, and are taken by believers as evidence of the existence of a supernatural realm.
2. Extrasensory perception: Some researchers and believers argue that humans have extrasensory abilities, such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and precognition, that allow them to receive information from sources outside of their own minds. While the scientific evidence for these abilities is controversial and inconclusive, some people claim to have personal experiences that support their existence.
3. Near-death experiences: Many people who have had near-death experiences report encountering a bright light, a sense of peace and joy, and even visions of deceased loved ones or religious figures. Some interpret these experiences as evidence that the mind can receive information from outside of the body or even beyond death.
Pi A.I.
Some people believe.
Some people disbelieve.
Some people think the jury is out.
You’ve made a determination as to where you’re at. And by the sound of it you seem to be fully invested. Otherwise I think you would be at least partially open to ‘the jury is out’.
But it is what it is.
Regards,
MG
Previously I said “I’ve seen nobody put forward a way to reasonably and reliably conclude that humans receive sensational messages from anywhere other than from within.”
Yep, still haven’t. Nor have the lurkers.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
No it’s not. Previously I said “I’ve seen nobody put forward a way to reasonably and reliably conclude that humans receive sensational messages from anywhere other than from within.”
Unless you can point to where I’ve missed you doing that?
But you can’t.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
No it’s not. Previously I said “I’ve seen nobody put forward a way to reasonably and reliably conclude that humans receive sensational messages from anywhere other than from within.”
Unless you can point to where I’ve missed you doing that?
But you can’t.
I’m happy to encourage lurkers to look at my posts and determine whether I’ve said anything that might be useful in response to your posts.
MG wrote:I’m happy to encourage lurkers to look at my posts and determine whether I’ve said anything that might be useful in response to your posts.
Is it your opinion that most lurkers agree with you more often than not?
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My most profound spiritual experiences have been tied to music, whether listening, singing, or playing the piano. I truly believe that music is a universal language. It can mean so many things to so many different people.
I lost both parents over the past couple of years. My brother, who is a professional opera singer, and I have both found the experience of being left surreal.
We have gained comfort and a renewed spirituality in sharing our music with each other.
Not sure whether or not the above file will play. It is a recent performance of my brother’s. That feeling of hearing him do what he was born to do is a spiritual experience for me.
Here is a little duet that he and I did together for fun:
