CWK: Becoming a god: deification in Mormonism and Orthodox theosis

[yellowstone123]

How about follow up videos of three to five minute, some shorter, others longer of highlights on parts that stand out. It could be what you thought was good or that another person pointed out.

The next thing I will do is turn old episodes into podcasts. Most YouTubers who teach from their experience recommend against shorts as a way to increase your viewing time. They recommend 15-30 minute episodes that produce the viewing time to get monetized (4000 hours in a year). Since many people here also wanted 15-25 minute episodes, that is what I settled on.

It also turns out that people who view shorts don’t generally watch the longer stuff, so making shorts does not create a pipeline to your long-form videos.

One limitation I have is the time I can devote to this. Each episode takes something like three hours to produce. Crazy, I know, but that is what it is from set up to break down and uploading time.

That’s interesting. It sounds right. I do watch podcasts and really like seeing certain highlights a week later, but only a few do that type of thing. Im sure many people have teams to develop, edit and post. Hopefully you will have these options in the future. I wish you the best.

[huckelberry]

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Mormons are sometimes ridiculed for believing they will become gods. It is an esoteric teaching which is increasingly de-emphasized, but it is central to Mormon doctrine. Here I compare Mormon deification with Orthodox theosis. The two are quite different, but Mormonism, Orthodoxy, and Catholicism share a belief in the efficacy of ritual in the process of divinization that Protestants do not share.

https://youtu.be/m7FyTl3I_qs

This one I really enjoyed doing because I think it is educational, it respects the differences between Mormon deification and Orthodox theosis, and it points out what I think is an important difference between Mormonism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy, on the one hand, and Protestantism, on the other, especially as regards the role of ritual in the divination process.

Kishkumen, I take your short presentation as in invitation for further thought and this being a discussion board I find myself questioning.

I have reservations about your view of the relationship between Protestants and ritual. I can see Protestants has having simplified ritual but I think it remains as central and import as in other branches of Christianity. Protestants attend worship services regularly , prayer meetings, private prayer, evangelistic meetings and the most central Christian ritual, Eucharist. Well some Protestants downplay the Eucharist but I think that is aberrant.
I think that the rituals are to underlay the broad business of Christian living which is understood to be the actual working out of the process of joining with God as described by John. (vine and branches, leading to fruit' leading to loving one another which I take to be the core of Theosis)
I think Protestants Catholics and Orthodox are in principal in agreement on this though the style of ritual has developed with differences.

[Moksha]

Brian Hales says no sex.

That part about Joseph as the Virgin Prophet who was totally altruistic and communed with Jehovah sounds like it could readily be accepted by apologists.

[Markk]

Brian Hales says no sex.

That part about Joseph as the Virgin Prophet who was totally altruistic and communed with Jehovah sounds like it could readily be accepted by apologists.

Brian Hales conceded a decade or so ago that Joseph had sex with several of his wives. He denies that he had sex with the young ones, the older ones, and those that were married to other men. Kish needs to do a little more homework on Brian.

He basis this only if there was some kind of substantial proof, like the temple lot affidavits, and if there was none, then automatically he did not have sex with them. His mind set on this basically demands that Joseph would have recorded every time he had sex with someone, and if it was not recorded or evidenced, then that means he did not have sex with them. It is a argument of silence and one of little common sense.

Also keep in mind Hales was most likely the author or co-author of the church essay on Joseph Smith and polygamy which LOL "almost" concedes it, which was a huge step for the church.

Mopologists have given up on Joseph not having sex with his wives some time ago. I doubt there are few that hold on to that anymore.

The Rodney Meldrum's and Hanna Stroud's do, but they are not exactly main stream mopologists but do have a growing audience. They even denied Joseph had plural wives if I recall correctly.

[Moksha]

The Rodney Meldrum's and Hanna Stroud's do, but they are not exactly mainstream mopologists but do have a growing audience. They even denied Joseph had plural wives if I recall correctly.

Kish is certainly not going to jump on that bandwagon.

[Kishkumen]

Kishkumen, I take your short presentation as in invitation for further thought and this being a discussion board I find myself questioning.

I have reservations about your view of the relationship between Protestants and ritual. I can see Protestants has having simplified ritual but I think it remains as central and import as in other branches of Christianity. Protestants attend worship services regularly , prayer meetings, private prayer, evangelistic meetings and the most central Christian ritual, Eucharist. Well some Protestants downplay the Eucharist but I think that is aberrant.
I think that the rituals are to underlay the broad business of Christian living which is understood to be the actual working out of the process of joining with God as described by John. (vine and branches, leading to fruit' leading to loving one another which I take to be the core of Theosis)
I think Protestants Catholics and Orthodox are in principal in agreement on this though the style of ritual has developed with differences.

I never said Protestants do not have rituals. At the same time, they have nothing close to the Divine Liturgy, Mass, or the Endowment. The key difference is in the function of ritual. For Protestants, as far as I am aware, rituals are symbolic, whereas in the Divine Liturgy and Mass an actual miracle manifests in the bread and wine becoming the body of Christ. The Endowment teaches the knowledge needed to ascend to the presence of God. As such, it is not symbolic, although there are many symbolic aspects to it. I would argued that Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Mormon temple ritual are all theurgic, whereas Protestant ritual is not.

[Kishkumen]

That’s interesting. It sounds right. I do watch podcasts and really like seeing certain highlights a week later, but only a few do that type of thing. Im sure many people have teams to develop, edit and post. Hopefully you will have these options in the future. I wish you the best.

Thank you, yellowstone.

[Kishkumen]

Brian Hales conceded a decade or so ago that Joseph had sex with several of his wives. He denies that he had sex with the young ones, the older ones, and those that were married to other men. Kish needs to do a little more homework on Brian.

No, I have done enough “homework” on Brian. Probably too much. Keeping up with the ground he’s forced to cede because practically every major position he has ever taken is wrong is not something I will spend my good time on.

[Markk]

Brian Hales conceded a decade or so ago that Joseph had sex with several of his wives. He denies that he had sex with the young ones, the older ones, and those that were married to other men. Kish needs to do a little more homework on Brian.

No, I have done enough “homework” on Brian. Probably too much. Keeping up with the ground he’s forced to cede because practically every major position he has ever taken is wrong is not something I will spend my good time on.

lol...from his website....which has stated this since at least the essays.

https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/common ... es-sexual/

You are a joke on this subject....do your basic homework.

[Kishkumen]

You are a joke on this subject....do your basic homework.

OK, Markk. It’s clear that you are out to be an ass here. I don’t think studying Brian Hales’ position du jour is a high priority. Certainly not on a channel of this kind. Feel free not to watch. If you continue to be an asshole, I’m just going to ignore you.