Let the Deportations Begin!

[Some Schmo]

I really hope Trump decides to deport millions of legal citizens. All those businesses that rely on cheap labor will have a fit. Families will be broken apart. Inflation will skyrocket (in addition to what will happen with Trump's tariff plans). If the GOP thinks we aren't having enough babies now, just wait till young people can't afford to take care of themselves, let alone a baby. We're pretty much already there. More inflation will make it worse.

America needs to experience the pain of their idiotic choice.

[ceeboo]

I really hope Trump decides to deport millions of legal citizens.

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

[Snazzip]

I really hope Trump decides to deport millions of legal citizens.

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

Hell, this should make you happy. For all the water you've carried for Trump, and him not hiding that this was in his plans, it's what you voted for.

[drumdude]

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

Hell, this should make you happy. For all the water you've carried for Trump, and him not hiding that this was in his plans, it's what you voted for.

Why can’t we stick to the facts and not mischaracterize Trump? There’s plenty of legitimate things to criticize Trump for without making things up.

Why stop at claiming Trump is going to deport legal citizens? Claim his plan is to send everyone in the country to FEMA camps. Or to crematoriums. The sky is the limit when you believe Trump is worse than Hitler.

[ceeboo]

Hey Snazzip

(I don't think I have had the pleasure of engaging you before)

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

Hell, this should make you happy.

Deporting legal citizens should make me "happy?"

For all the water you've carried for Trump, and him not hiding that this was in his plans, it's what you voted for.

Oh, I see, you're one of those people.

[canpakes]

I really hope Trump decides to deport millions of legal citizens.

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

Trump has stated that he will deport whole families of mixed status. As in, if a parent is not a citizen, but their child is one via birthright citizenship, then deportation of both would proceed on the basis of the parent’s status. The child, as a citizen, will still be booted along with the parent.

Do you agree with that approach?

“Asked about families with mixed immigration status — where parents are in the country illegally but their children are not — Trump said, “I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together, and you have to send them all back.”

Trump also doubled down on his campaign promise to end birthright citizenship, which is protected by the 14th Amendment, and suggested he may attempt to overturn the right through executive action.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/08/poli ... -interview

[drumdude]

The president cannot deport U.S. citizens, including those with undocumented parents, because doing so would be unconstitutional, according to immigration law experts. The U.S. Constitution protects natural-born citizens from being deported by the government. But citizens may choose to renounce their citizenship voluntarily.

“It is unconstitutional to deport U.S. citizens,” said Michelle Mittelstadt, a spokesperson for the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute.

U.S. citizenship through birth, which is known as “birthright citizenship,” comes via the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War to secure citizenship for newly freed Black Americans. It was later, after multiple court challenges, used to guarantee citizenship to all babies born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/verify ... 5aff587b9b

Trump has repeatedly said he would attempt to end birthright citizenship through executive action in his second term. However, we previously found that the president cannot end birthright citizenship by executive order because it would also violate the Constitution.

Amending the Constitution would require congressional action and ratification by three-quarters of the states. Law experts agree that any executive order by Trump or any president to terminate birthright citizenship would likely be subjected to legal and judicial challenges.

[canpakes]

The president cannot deport U.S. citizens, including those with undocumented parents, because doing so would be unconstitutional, according to immigration law experts. The U.S. Constitution protects natural-born citizens from being deported by the government. But citizens may choose to renounce their citizenship voluntarily.

“It is unconstitutional to deport U.S. citizens,” said Michelle Mittelstadt, a spokesperson for the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute.

U.S. citizenship through birth, which is known as “birthright citizenship,” comes via the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War to secure citizenship for newly freed Black Americans. It was later, after multiple court challenges, used to guarantee citizenship to all babies born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/verify ... 5aff587b9b

Trump has repeatedly said he would attempt to end birthright citizenship through executive action in his second term. However, we previously found that the president cannot end birthright citizenship by executive order because it would also violate the Constitution.

Amending the Constitution would require congressional action and ratification by three-quarters of the states. Law experts agree that any executive order by Trump or any president to terminate birthright citizenship would likely be subjected to legal and judicial challenges.

Don’t you dare rain on MAGA’s deportation parade with your silly facts, drumdude.
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The show must go on. Trump will continue to make illegal promises simply to suck in the support of his perpetually angry voter base, while stepping out the back door later, blaming the so-called ‘deep state’ from letting him act on that base’s wishes. Meanwhile, in the back alley, folks like Stephen Miller will be doing the dirty work of trying to find ways of getting around or overturning that Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad 14th Amendment.

[Doctor Steuss]

The president cannot deport U.S. citizens, including those with undocumented parents, because doing so would be unconstitutional, according to immigration law experts. The U.S. Constitution protects natural-born citizens from being deported by the government. But citizens may choose to renounce their citizenship voluntarily.

“It is unconstitutional to deport U.S. citizens,” said Michelle Mittelstadt, a spokesperson for the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute.

U.S. citizenship through birth, which is known as “birthright citizenship,” comes via the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War to secure citizenship for newly freed Black Americans. It was later, after multiple court challenges, used to guarantee citizenship to all babies born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/verify ... 5aff587b9b

Trump has repeatedly said he would attempt to end birthright citizenship through executive action in his second term. However, we previously found that the president cannot end birthright citizenship by executive order because it would also violate the Constitution.

Amending the Constitution would require congressional action and ratification by three-quarters of the states. Law experts agree that any executive order by Trump or any president to terminate birthright citizenship would likely be subjected to legal and judicial challenges.

Miller has stated the Trump admin plan is to reinstitute their previous program of revoking people's citizenship. I think the number of files his admin had open when he was President was about 700k (going from memory). The precedent has already been set, and the framework goes back to at least Obama for removing someone's citizenship for naturalized people, but I'm not sure how or if that could work with birthright. All it would take is one case to set the precedence though (like it did with the framework that Obama was able to create).

Incidentally, while I don't think it's a concern currently, legal and judicial challenges don't carry much weight if it lands before the bench of a loyalist you appointed.

I don't think the sky is falling, but I can visualize a potential roadmap where it could.

[Gunnar]

I really hope Trump decides to deport millions of legal citizens.

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

I doubt that even Schmo was actually serious about hoping that Trump decides to deport millions of legal citizens, but I have very little doubt that Trump will try to deport millions of innocent and hard-working people who are currently vital to our economy and prosperity. He has also threatened to prosecute and jail anyone who opposes him and has even suggested something like Korean style internment or reeducation camps for people don't agree with his policies. He doesn't even try to hide the fact that he is largely motivated by vengeance against any who oppose him. Hatred, vengeance and lies spew from his mouth like water from a firehose. Like it or not, he is a convicted felon, an incurable narcissist and a hateful bigot and misogynist even a misanthrope who cares about almost nothing other than his own selfish ego, power and wealth. I predict that before the end of his term of office, even you will be unable to avoid that conclusion. I can think of no one who better fits the evangelical concept of the anti-Christ. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that fanatical Christian evangelists support him! They may view him as the horrid, prophesized anti-Christ whom they believe will presage the second coming of Christ. Is that how you view him by chance?

ETA: By the way, why do you still doubt that Trump intends to do all these horrible things, when he has openly expressed his intention to do so? Do you actually approve of the despotism he intends to afflict upon us? Doesn't it bother you that he is a hateful, vindictive and decidedly Un-Christlike example? Doesn't bother you that he has expressed admiration for horrible despots like Kim Jong Un and Putin? Why do you doubt any of this about him when the most convincing evidence of it comes from his own mouth and actions?