The Real Reason why Trump won

[canpakes]

Obviously, you don't have to take pointers from me, but, for your benefit, you really should consider doing so. Among the many benefits you would receive (should you start taking said pointers from me) would be to break the self-imposed bondage that your mind is in - Imagine if you allowed your mind to be free.

You sure think highly of yourself. I mean, I can be arrogant about certain things I think I know about, but even in those areas, I'd never claim that another person should hope to obtain mental freedom by listening to me.

Perhaps Ceeboo is referring to the mental freedom gained from no longer hewing so closely to one’s claimed morals or values. : D

[ceeboo]

Obviously, you don't have to take pointers from me, but, for your benefit, you really should consider doing so. Among the many benefits you would receive (should you start taking said pointers from me) would be to break the self-imposed bondage that your mind is in - Imagine if you allowed your mind to be free.

You sure think highly of yourself.

Can I assume, by this, that you're declining my generous offer to help you free your mind?

I mean, I can be arrogant about certain things I think I know about, but even in those areas, I'd never claim that another person should hope to obtain mental freedom by listening to me.

You need not worry about such a thing - a prisoner can't free another person in prison.

If you change your mind about my offer to help you, just let me know.

[canpakes]

I mean, I can be arrogant about certain things I think I know about, but even in those areas, I'd never claim that another person should hope to obtain mental freedom by listening to me.

You need not worry about such a thing - a prisoner can't free another person in prison.

I guess you’ve never seen the great movie classic ‘The Great Escape’. : )

[Markk]

Gad wrote...You're delusional then. If you think there's no correlation between poverty and crime -- you're seriously delusional. If you don't think greater inequality makes for greater poverty -- you're seriously delusional. The fact that Trump won shows just how desperate people get when they're feeling financially insecure.

Who said I did? I said shop lifting in "a" real evidence of disregard for law enforcement, in context of the current national epidemic. During the great depression crime went down after the initial hit. So I guess we can through all kinds of data mining into that pot. And I guess you are also saying that the huge rise of shoplifting is because of Bidens crappy handling of the economy?

Drugs in our country are a huge reason for theft, and when a drug addict, who needs to feed their addiction knows they can walk in a store and walk out with merchandise knowing that they won't be arrested or prosecuted is paramount. San Francisco, Portland, Denver.

And as I wrote declining moral values is a major factor. Say what you will about Mormonism, Christianity, Islam, or any solid nuclear family with no faith, who are taught solid moral principles and values, in regards to crime and other factors, are essential for moral character. No one wants to discuss how about 80% of people in prison are from homes without a father. Or fatherless children are six times more likely to commit crimes. Or drop out of school or rape a woman.

The reason that Trump won is that he talked to people, he has an agenda even if you disagree with it, as compared to Harris' wooden repetitive, non charismatic talking points that didn't connect with the Independents that swung the election, she was as about as exciding as a pop corn fart. Do you know who really who she is today, I don't. She blew it by not going on Rogan, that may have been the difference, who knows. Do you know who Trump is, you sure do, you have a lot of opinions about him, lol, you tell us about them in almost every post, he is so far in your head you can't function with whing about him.

But at least in this last post you admit that people did not feel financially insecure under Biden, and IYO Trump won because of that.

[Markk]

I guess you’ve never seen the great movie classic ‘The Great Escape’. : )

I'm not sure I see your point in Ceebo's context... but that is a great movie....better book.

Ever read The Wooden Horse?

[Gadianton]

Can I assume, by this, that you're declining my generous offer to help you free your mind?

No. Just like you shouldn't assume that if somebody says, "This is your country by golly, get out and vote!" that "your" is intended as exclusive, implying the listener constitutes the entire population of the country.

You need not worry about such a thing - a prisoner can't free another person in prison.

I take this to mean that you consider your own mind free? Am I right about that? Is your mind free?

I am a careful shopper, and I don't employ anyone's services lightly, even if they are free. In fact, I'm especially skeptical of services offered for free. And so before I would ever accept your offer, I'd like to know a little more about what it is you're offering.

1) please define what it means to have a free mind, and explain why a person might desire to have one.

2) If you do believe your own mind to be free, please justify this belief. Why do you believe your own mind is free? Why do you believe you're qualified to help me?

[Markk]

Trump failed to plug the border for four years -- drugs still flowed in.

Check out the dramatic rise in fentanyl abuse during Trump’s last time in office, especially that huge spike during his last year.

Why didn’t Trump magically fix this the first time around?



https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024 ... ting-worse

Fentanyl started rising in 15 under Obama, But the real reason for the spike is it is cheap to produce and buy, and easy to transport. Heroin and cocaine I am sure declined percentage wise, we can look it up. Meth I am guessing rose also.

Trump said during the campaign, and I am paraphrasing, that the only way to really stop it or near stop is the death penalty for the suppliers, and steep penalties for chronic users. He cited China and Saudi Arabia. How can you stop it when we just release them , they can have 50 pound of fentanyl, and cash, and we just let them go and take their drugs and money.

Trump also said that he doubt the country is not ready for that.

Trump was trying to fix it, by building the wall and supporting the BP. Biden stopped any progress that Trump made, and still is defiantly. Look at Portland, Colorado, and SF....that is the fruit of not getting tough and allowing citizens to take hard core drugs

Are you on board with getting tough on smugglers to try to stop this mess? Are you Okay going after the sources?

Trump has the ball now are you going to support his efforts or criticize them in stopping illegal drugs coming in?

[Gadianton]

Fentanyl started rising in 15 under Obama,

But skyrocketed under Trump!

But the real reason for the spike is it is cheap to produce and buy,

Ahh, I see. If it happens under your guy, then there was another reason for it. If crime and inflation happen under Biden, then it's Biden's fault, if it happens under Trump, then "there's a real reason" for it. Got it.

Trump said during the campaign, and I am paraphrasing, that the only way to really stop it or near stop is the death penalty for the suppliers,

First of all, wrong, and it just shows how stupid he is, but, even dumber, are the people who were impressed by his outrage and think it's anywhere realistic to sentence drug dealers to death, or who think the guy threating death must take it more seriously and have a better plan than the other guy. I'll admit that "tough guy" talk like this surely won him votes.

He cited China and Saudi Arabia.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/02/middleea ... index.html

Looks like Saudi Arabia has it under control.

they can have 50 pound of fentanyl, and cash, and we just let them go and take their drugs and money.

Did your cop relative say that this didn't happen under Trump the last time he was president, and only began happening again under Biden?

Trump also said that he doubt the country is not ready for that.

Ready for unilaterally executing drug dealers? Nahh....They'd have to execute all of the doctors illicitly prescribing controlled substances to Trump and half of the right-wing politicians and pundits.

Trump was trying to fix it, by building the wall and supporting the BP.

Trump was tapping into outrage and wasting money on the wall, and supporting insider grifters with the wall. He either fixed it or didn't fix it. Yelling and tough talk doesn't mean he was taking anything seriously let alone fixing anything. Rhetoric doesn't equal intentions and intentions doesn't equal outcome. If I hire a pest control company and they show up with flame throwers and a lot of talk and then charge me thousands of dollars after burning half my house down yet I still have wasps, it's not a success.

Trump has the ball now are you going to support his efforts or criticize them in stopping illegal drugs coming in?

Again, rhetoric doesn't equal intentions, and intentions doesn't equal outcome. None of the rhetoric I've heard thus far indicates anything close to a realistic plan to achieve an outcome for anything meaningful at all whether for drugs, immigration, or anything else.

Asking me if I'll support his efforts to fix drug problems via mass deportations would be like asking me to support the pest control guy with a flame thrower --- how do I know it won't work without first giving him a chance?

[canpakes]

Fentanyl started rising in 15 under Obama.

And fentanyl’s use was fueled by the steep rise in prescription opioid use just over a couple of decades back. This was the spark for what evolved into the current market of users.

RFK Jr has been tapped to head up the DHHS. This would be a great opportunity to continue to resolve that issue, but he’s too busy trying to rid us of the polio vaccine, and COVID shots, because appealing to angry conspiratorial MAGA voters is much more important.

But the real reason for the spike is it is cheap to produce and buy, and easy to transport.

Absolutely.

Heroin and cocaine I am sure declined percentage wise, we can look it up. Meth I am guessing rose also.

Both are shown on that graph.

Trump said during the campaign, and I am paraphrasing, that the only way to really stop it or near stop is the death penalty for the suppliers, and steep penalties for chronic users.

Honestly, without users, there’s no market. I suppose that the unpopular opinion would be to execute the users. Yet, even that won’t completely cure the problem, given that new users inevitably appear to replace the dead ones.

Trump also said that he doubt the country is not ready for that.

Probably not, considering that the average overdose victim has trended to be about 33 years old, overwhelmingly male, with at least 50% being white. That’s pretty much the Trump voter base.

Trump was trying to fix it, by building the wall and supporting the BP.

If those were his solutions, then fentanyl use more than doubled while he fiddled with his symbolic but wildly ineffective ‘wall’. And he didn’t do much to increase the numbers of BP agents. Even his predecessor kicked his butt on that one. Check out that reality at this link: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files ... 508%29.pdf

Are you on board with getting tough on smugglers to try to stop this mess? Are you Okay going after the sources?

I don’t think that anyone is not. But if you’re going to tell me that launching military raids to attack sites in Mexico is going to be an effective method of stopping the problem, most folks (including myself) will disagree with you.

Trump has the ball now are you going to support his efforts or criticize them in stopping illegal drugs coming in?

That depends on if he resorts to another dog and pony show for his MAGA base as opposed to actually addressing the problem.

[Markk]

Fentanyl started rising in 15 under Obama,

But skyrocketed under Trump!

But the real reason for the spike is it is cheap to produce and buy,

Ahh, I see. If it happens under your guy, then there was another reason for it. If crime and inflation happen under Biden, then it's Biden's fault, if it happens under Trump, then "there's a real reason" for it. Got it.

Trump said during the campaign, and I am paraphrasing, that the only way to really stop it or near stop is the death penalty for the suppliers,

First of all, wrong, and it just shows how stupid he is, but, even dumber, are the people who were impressed by his outrage and think it's anywhere realistic to sentence drug dealers to death, or who think the guy threating death must take it more seriously and have a better plan than the other guy. I'll admit that "tough guy" talk like this surely won him votes.

You said nothing here, nor did you address my points. It is not when it starts, it is what they try to do about it. Our guy Trump was attacking the problem, our guy Biden did not. Harris who was in charge of the border rarely even spoke of her position and what she was doing beyond talking points. A last minute trip the border she was in charge of was a joke. They are still dismantling what Trump was trying to do today by selling off all ready purchased border wall materials. I talked to a family member last night who combats who combats the drugs coming over and he said it is crazy busy for this time of year in that the cartels usually take the holidays off so to speak, but they are in a rush probably because they know it is going to get tougher.

He was not threating, he said folks weren't ready for it. It is not an easy thing to think about. He said "if" we want to get serious, which he is right on in my opinion. Calling people dumb is all you got Gad. What gave him the election was probably no so much what he said....the same things that he said when he lost to Biden, but what wasn't said from the left, and the denial of a president clearly in mental decline, and a new candidate with no identity or real plan.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/02/middleea ... index.html

Looks like Saudi Arabia has it under control.

No, but far better than us, and those that get caught are not just let go like here, I hope. The USA is by far the drug capital of the world in regard to use. Do you think that is a good thing? Do you think making it legal is a good idea? You really need to get out on the streets and see what it is doing to folks, and tearing families apart. I am behind any president that wants to attack that no matter which party.

What is you solution in stopping or dramatically slowing down the drugs coming over, which is the real topic here.

Did your cop relative say that this didn't happen under Trump the last time he was president, and only began happening again under Biden?

No, he says they will always find ways. I talked to him yesterday at a family party and they are excited as a whole and moral is up in that they feel like they will get support. Right now they are self funded, no tax payer dollars. There are 6 man teams and they have to confiscate 8-9 or million is cash a year to keep the project going. The hopes are that they will get federal and local help to hire more to the teams. Moral is high.

The other hope is they hope they can actually arrest these folks instead of letting them go, to get them off the streets. We need DA's that will prosecute.