DCP, living in the past.

[Kishkumen]

Most of these were published under FARMS or Interpreter (and one was not out when the comment was made). I think the person was pretty much dismissive of all things FARMs and Interpreter.

Is that fair? Probably not, but I think it speaks to how Dan, FARMS, and Interpreter are perceived by many serious Mormon academics.

Yeah, but was not also "Nephi and his Asherah" an in-house publication? I thought we were mostly talking about what he might have written in a scholarly vein that was not simply apologetic in nature.

[Markk]

My latest exchange with a request by Scratch.

Markk: "Just to be clear the main reason I cut and pasted posts, from here to there, is because in the past you have edited by omission my posts, and got the last word when I had more to say."

Dan: I have never banned you and I have never suppressed any of your posts, neither as a whole nor in part.

Well, I never said you banned me. However you did not post my last posts in our last exchange, a few years ago. I don't recall what we were discussing, but I do recall you quit on the thread.
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Markk: "It would be so much easier for you to just post there"

Dan: "Easier" in what way? You're able to post entirely freely here, and I'm entirely free to respond to you here.

For one you would not get accused of editing posts. And more than that, it would bring in different thoughts from different perspectives.
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Markk: "I I can only guess you have bee advised not to so."

Dan: Nobody has "advised" me not to participate on the Peterson Obsession Board. I went over there many years ago to defend myself against false accusations. I eventually realized that it was a futile exercise, gaining me nothing but exasperation and costing me considerable time. So I left entirely of my own free will and choice, something on the order of fifteen years ago. Why would I want to participate there? I'm neither insane nor a masochist.

Well, maybe, but given the embarrassing way you represented TCoJCoLdS in your apologetic "career," I find that hard to believe.
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Markk: "You clearly enjoy the exchanges."

Dan: Actually, I don't. But sometimes I feel the need to correct the public record.

Why don't you do so with the 2nd Watson Letter? I am sure the "public" would love for you to "correctly" set the record straight (question by request of your benevolent stalker).

[Kishkumen]

If I were DCP, I would not want to post here. Indeed, I do not post over at the MADD board for very similar reasons. It would be a waste of my time. I say that, and yet I do not face the added problem of having a club of haters arrayed against me as DCP has on this board. I find it absolutely baffling that anyone would seriously expect him to come here or even recommend that he do so.

[Kishkumen]

Thanks for offering your thoughts. I am running out the door and will be away for much of the day. I do want to share a few of my personal views with you (gospel dating - early vs. late) as well as something else but just have the time right now. Perhaps I will respond later.

Thanks, ceeboo. I would like to know your thoughts. At the end of the day, I think there is too little certainty on these matters to say what the actual case is, so that one is left to exercise faith. Do I think there was a guy named Jesus? Yes! Was he crucified by Pontius Pilate? Yes! What did he say, what were his miracles, were these miracles legit, and was he resurrected? That is where the faith comes in.

[drumdude]

If I were DCP, I would not want to post here. Indeed, I do not post over at the MADD board for very similar reasons. It would be a waste of my time. I say that, and yet I do not face the added problem of having a club of haters arrayed against me as DCP has on this board. I find it absolutely baffling that anyone would seriously expect him to come here or even recommend that he do so.

The faithful LDS Reddit bans anyone who has ever said anything critical in their posting history. As hostile as this board can be, I’ve never seen it ban anyone for expressing a faithful position.

But I do agree it’s sad to see both sides entrench themselves into their own echo chambers.

[Markk]

The most recent....In context with Dan being suspended from the World Table, and receiving low scores.

Markk: "The reason Dan and Russell McGregor were suspended, and why Dan held, if I remember correctly, the lowest score, is because of their rude attack on Evangelicals and disgruntled ex-members...my self being both."

Dan: Flatly false, in my case. (I don't recall Russell McGregor's situation there.)

Mark: Well Dan, then why did you have a very low score and why were you suspended? Can you set the public record straight on this?

From the Obsession Board.....The Top Ten Happenings in Mopologetics, 2013

5. A Shakey Launch for 'The World Table'. During the summer's annual FAIR Conference, Daniel Peterson, in his keynote address, announced a new project called, "The World Table," which was touted as an online forum that would "fundamentally change the way we interact online." Users would be required to use their real names and to declare both their religious affiliation and politcal leanings up front. Even more provocatively, users would have the option to rate one another's remarks and behavior on the basis of things like "honest" and "fairness." Peterson promoted the new venture to the FAIR-goers as an opportunity to assembel an "army of apologists." Critics, on the other hand, immediately predicted that the project would fail, and sure enough, after the launch in late September, Mopologists like Wade Englund, Russell McGregor, and DCP himself all found themselves with "failing" ratings down in the 60s and 50s (out of 100). McGregor, Peterson, and Ray Agostini were all banned for a time, in fact, do to "ratings wars" or other uncivil behavior (though they were all reinstated, apparently).
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Dan: I can see why "Kishkumen" lost patience with him over on the Obsession Board.

Mark: Here is another reason it would be "easier" for you to just post there, you are there anyways! You obviously enjoy and miss it. Simply classic. How often do you check in on the board?

[Kishkumen]

The faithful LDS Reddit bans anyone who has ever said anything critical in their posting history. As hostile as this board can be, I’ve never seen it ban anyone for expressing a faithful position.

But I do agree it’s sad to see both sides entrench themselves into their own echo chambers.

My guess is that when religionists get together with their co-religionists they do so to feel good and celebrate or exercise their shared beliefs, not argue with naysayers. Hence the lack of free speech in those places. This place is more defined by non-belief, so it does not implicitly promise the same kind of experience.

[Markk]

If I were DCP, I would not want to post here. Indeed, I do not post over at the MADD board for very similar reasons. It would be a waste of my time. I say that, and yet I do not face the added problem of having a club of haters arrayed against me as DCP has on this board. I find it absolutely baffling that anyone would seriously expect him to come here or even recommend that he do so.

He needs the attention and the feeling of being relevant in LDS apologetics, something he lost and is missing. He is the type of person that needs his ego stroked. Right or wrong, that is my perception.

[drumdude]

If I were DCP, I would not want to post here. Indeed, I do not post over at the MADD board for very similar reasons. It would be a waste of my time. I say that, and yet I do not face the added problem of having a club of haters arrayed against me as DCP has on this board. I find it absolutely baffling that anyone would seriously expect him to come here or even recommend that he do so.

He needs the attention and the feeling of being relevant in LDS apologetics, something he lost and is missing. He is the type of person that needs his ego stroked. Right or wrong, that is my perception.

I used to think so too. But recently I see it more as him just being a very very strident defender of his faith.

DCP isn’t likely to convince anyone here, and we’re definitely not going to convince DCP of anything. I think both sides are better off directing their arguments to the public in general, and let them decide.

There’s a lot of Mormons who are looking for a “good enough” arguments and articles to support their existing religious beliefs. Interpreter provides that service to them. In the same way a flat earth journal could provide rationalization to flat earth believers.

Interpreter really isn’t interesting or convincing to any other audience than believing Mormons. And that’s enough for me.

[Kishkumen]

He needs the attention and the feeling of being relevant in LDS apologetics, something he lost and is missing. He is the type of person that needs his ego stroked. Right or wrong, that is my perception.

Seems like all of us want some attention, you included.