Fox News Tried Going After Denmark.

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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:50 pm
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Actually, genius, nobody is denying anyone their identity, and SCIENCE has long understood the difference between sex and gender. You're purposely conflating those two so you don't look like the bigot you are.
If an intersex individual identifies as male or female, should we acknowledge their identification?
Should we need a political party to tell someone what their gender is?

Remember, you’re a woman. The Trump Administration has determined this for you.
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Moksha wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:33 pm
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Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:25 pm
There's 8 billion people on earth and 0.018% of 8 billion is around 14 million. This is science, not broadening the definition of intersex so progressives can get to 150 million. So let's stick with actual science please.
Not anymore. Trump signed a declaration proclaiming only two sexes. Those others (as well as scientists who write about it) are at risk of being burnt at the stake. Or possibly sent off to Greenland after the conclusion of the Danish war.
Actual science confirms the existence of intersex individuals. Will Hound of Heaven acknowledge this, or does Hound believe instead the Trump Administration’s criteria defining all people as women?

Tough question, I guess.
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canpakes wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:03 pm
Moksha wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:33 pm

Not anymore. Trump signed a declaration proclaiming only two sexes. Those others (as well as scientists who write about it) are at risk of being burnt at the stake. Or possibly sent off to Greenland after the conclusion of the Danish war.
Actual science confirms the existence of intersex individuals. Will Hound of Heaven acknowledge this, or does Hound believe instead the Trump Administration’s criteria defining all people as women?

Tough question, I guess.
I believe there is a significant likelihood that the progressives on the board are reluctant to recognize that most intersex individuals identify as either male or female. Acknowledging this would reduce the often-cited 1.7% figure by 75%, and with that reduction, the credibility of their progressive agenda would also diminish. So I'll ask you, Canpakes, if an intersex person identifies as male or female, should we recognize their identity?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:25 pm
canpakes wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:03 pm


Actual science confirms the existence of intersex individuals. Will Hound of Heaven acknowledge this, or does Hound believe instead the Trump Administration’s criteria defining all people as women?

Tough question, I guess.
I believe there is a significant likelihood that the progressives on the board are reluctant to recognize that most intersex individuals identify as either male or female. Acknowledging this would reduce the often-cited 1.7% figure by 75%, and with that reduction, the credibility of their progressive agenda would also diminish. So I'll ask you, Canpakes, if an intersex person identifies as male or female, should we recognize their identity?
I see no issue with an individual in that situation doing so.

Your argument rests with the Trump Administration, which has now unilaterally defined all humans to be women. And if you acknowledge that there are millions of intersex individuals, then your disgust over anonymous progressives or Kenji-Brown Jackson not being willing to neatly wrap up the issue of their sex using stupid definitions seems … unwarranted.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
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If an intersex individual identifies as male or female, should we acknowledge their identification?
Of course! Why not?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:50 pm
Molok wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:43 pm


Actually, genius, nobody is denying anyone their identity, and SCIENCE has long understood the difference between sex and gender. You're purposely conflating those two so you don't look like the bigot you are.
If an intersex individual identifies as male or female, should we acknowledge their identification?
The answer to that silly question is in the very thing you quoted. It's two sentences, try your best to figure it out. Feel free to ask for assistance if you need it.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:25 pm
I believe there is a significant likelihood that the progressives on the board are reluctant to recognize that most intersex individuals identify as either male or female. Acknowledging this would reduce the often-cited 1.7% figure by 75%, and with that reduction, the credibility of their progressive agenda would also diminish. So I'll ask you, Canpakes, if an intersex person identifies as male or female, should we recognize their identity?
How did you get the idea that any of us are reluctant to recognize that most intersex identify as either male or female? I certainly have no such reluctance! Of course we should recognize their identity if intersex persons identify as male or female! Nothing you have said diminishes the strength of our arguments!

And you still have not commented on what you think is right or wrong about the 2024 Democrat platform, which seems a perfectly fair and rational document to me.
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Molok wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:18 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:50 pm


If an intersex individual identifies as male or female, should we acknowledge their identification?
The answer to that silly question is in the very thing you quoted. It's two sentences, try your best to figure it out. Feel free to ask for assistance if you need it.
Right on!
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Gunnar wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:27 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:25 pm
I believe there is a significant likelihood that the progressives on the board are reluctant to recognize that most intersex individuals identify as either male or female. Acknowledging this would reduce the often-cited 1.7% figure by 75%, and with that reduction, the credibility of their progressive agenda would also diminish. So I'll ask you, Canpakes, if an intersex person identifies as male or female, should we recognize their identity?
How did you get the idea that any of us are reluctant to recognize that most intersex identify as either male or female? I certainly have no such reluctance! Of course we should recognize their identity if intersex persons identify as male or female! Nothing you have said diminishes the strength of our argument!
I think that was a dodge/straw man on Hound’s part. in my opinion, anyway.
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canpakes wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:30 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:27 pm

How did you get the idea that any of us are reluctant to recognize that most intersex identify as either male or female? I certainly have no such reluctance! Of course we should recognize their identity if intersex persons identify as male or female! Nothing you have said diminishes the strength of our argument!
I think that was a dodge/straw man on Hound’s part. in my opinion, anyway.
I concur! That was a textbook example of a straw man argument.
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