Gay people are no longer safe in Trumpland.

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Re: Gay people are no longer safe in Trumpland.

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Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:42 pm
The reality is this. With a population of 360 million, the US flag symbolizes each and every one of us. If you fail to grasp that, then you'll never comprehend the reasons behind Trump's election.
Nobody is suggesting the Stars and Stripes be replaced. After generations of victimisation black people and gay people need a helping hand from their government. Trump will ensure they don’t get it. Worse, he will roll back the progress that has been made.

Unfortunately for American society racism, sexism, and homophobia (overt and passive) plays too bigger part in the populations thinking.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:52 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:42 pm
The reality is this. With a population of 360 million, the US flag symbolizes each and every one of us. If you fail to grasp that, then you'll never comprehend the reasons behind Trump's election.
Nobody is suggesting the Stars and Stripes be replaced. After generations of victimisation black people and gay people need a helping hand from their government. Trump will ensure they don’t get it. Worse, he will roll back the progress that has been made.

Unfortunately for American society racism, sexism, and homophobia (overt and passive) plays too bigger part in the populations thinking.
What's going to be rolled back?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:13 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:52 pm
Nobody is suggesting the Stars and Stripes be replaced. After generations of victimisation black people and gay people need a helping hand from their government. Trump will ensure they don’t get it. Worse, he will roll back the progress that has been made.

Unfortunately for American society racism, sexism, and homophobia (overt and passive) plays too bigger part in the populations thinking.
What's going to be rolled back?
President Donald Trump signed executive orders Monday rolling back protections for transgender people and terminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs within the federal government in what he described in his inauguration speech as a move to end efforts to “socially engineer race and gender into every aspect of public and private life.”

Both are major shifts for the federal policy and are in line with Trump’s campaign promises.
https://apnews.com/article/Trump-sex-ge ... c49ef44699

And that’s on week one.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:41 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:13 pm
What's going to be rolled back?
President Donald Trump signed executive orders Monday rolling back protections for transgender people and terminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs within the federal government in what he described in his inauguration speech as a move to end efforts to “socially engineer race and gender into every aspect of public and private life.”

Both are major shifts for the federal policy and are in line with Trump’s campaign promises.
https://apnews.com/article/Trump-sex-ge ... c49ef44699

And that’s on week one.
The American electorate is unlikely to support DEI initiatives. Before discussing DEI, let's first address Affirmative Action and EEO. Most Americans understand that Affirmative Action and Equal Employment Opportunity are essential principles that underpin a fair society. Both provided women and minorities with an equal opportunity, ensuring that everyone, regardless of gender or skin color, could pursue their aspirations in America.

However, DEI is not at all equivalent to Affirmative Action or EEO. In fact, it's quite the contrary. DEI focuses on emotions and equity, leaning towards a more holistic perspective rather than a strictly legal one. It challenges logic! Here are a few recent DEI examples that will be transformed into Republican campaign ads in 2028. Just last week, I heard the deputy chief of the Los Angeles Fire Department mention that citizens prefer to see someone responding to their homes who resembles them, suggesting that sharing the same skin tone can create a sense of comfort. While that statement is undoubtedly racist, she supported it with one of the most outrageous comments I have ever heard from a firefighter. She explained that people frequently ask her if she's strong enough to carry a fully grown man out of a fire. Instead of responding affirmatively, as a deputy chief might, she replied that he got himself into the wrong situation if she has to carry him out of a fire. The Republicans will circulate this video clip of the deputy fire chief widely online in 2028, claiming that if you don't vote Republican, these are the types of DEI measures a Democrat administration will put into place if elected. DEI promotes racism!

If a deputy fire captain thinks that firefighters of a specific skin tone must be present at an emergency scene to ensure public safety, could you clarify how that perspective is not considered racist? That is the essence of DEI. It's not just about equal opportunity; it's about how people feel.

Should airlines prioritize hiring more black individuals as pilots to enhance diversity, or should they concentrate on selecting the most qualified candidates for the role?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:34 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:41 pm
https://apnews.com/article/Trump-sex-ge ... c49ef44699

And that’s on week one.
The American electorate is unlikely to support DEI initiatives. Before discussing DEI, let's first address Affirmative Action and EEO.
Ah right. So now I’ve given you a specific example in answer to your question, you don’t want to discuss that, now want to move on to something else entirely. Got it.

Please stop taking the thread off on tangents to the OP. If you want to talk about Dear Leader Trump and racism, no problem, just start a different thread for it.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:34 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:41 pm

https://apnews.com/article/Trump-sex-ge ... c49ef44699
And that’s on week one.
The American electorate is unlikely to support DEI initiatives. Before discussing DEI, let's first address Affirmative Action and EEO. Most Americans understand that Affirmative Action and Equal Employment Opportunity are essential principles that underpin a fair society. Both provided women and minorities with an equal opportunity, ensuring that everyone, regardless of gender or skin color, could pursue their aspirations in America.

However, DEI is not at all equivalent to Affirmative Action or EEO.
Not to worry. Give him time. Trump has revoked the EEO executive order signed by Johnson some 60 years ago, along with a host of others. A Republican-controlled Congress now has a precedent to use for any desired efforts directed towards dismantling the EEOA and the last remnants of Affirmative Action.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/Trump- ... tive-order
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:34 pm
Should airlines prioritize hiring more black individuals as pilots to enhance diversity, or should they concentrate on selecting the most qualified candidates for the role?
This sounds familiar.

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Markk wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:26 pm
The thread title reads "no longer safe" yet your wiki link of violence on Gays shows that more than twice as many were murdered during Biden's 4 years, than the previous 4 years of Trump. I'm not sure how that correlates with your title?

These are the gay nominees for his new administration, which shows Trump does not care what ones sexual preference is.

Scott Bessent, 62, treasury secretary. If confirmed, the hedge fund manager would be the highest-ranking openly gay official in US history.
Ric Grenell, 58, presidential envoy for special missions. He was Trump’s director of national intelligence during his first term.
Tammy Bruce, 62, the new State Department spokesperson was a Fox News contributor.
Jacob Helberg, 35, undersecretary of state for economic growth, energy, and the environment.
Bill White, 57, ambassador to Belgium.
Art Fisher, 49, ambassador to Austria.

My understanding is that Trump wants people in leadership positions because of their abilities, not because of their sexual identity.
GLAAD has opinions on the incoming cabinet, too.

https://glaad.org/Trump's-nominees/

The folks in positions they’re highlighting will likely have a stronger say in the Administration’s direction regarding policy and attitudes surrounding this issue than the folks on your own list.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:37 pm
Markk wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:26 pm
My understanding is that Trump wants people in leadership positions because of their abilities, not because of their sexual identity.
Given his unscientific and misleading statements, including COVID-19 misinformation, affirming antisemitic, homophobic and transphobic comments, and promoting conspiracy theories, in what way(s) is Elon Musk qualified to run a department of government efficiency?
What does that have to do with your post, and my thoughts? One of your proofs that Gays will no longer be safe under Trump was a wiki article that showed over a 100% increase in violence towards the LGBT community under Biden, than under Trump's first four years.

As far as Elon Musk having experience in leading a department of efficiency, well, I cannot think of too many, if anyone, that has more experience. As an example of your question of " what way".... Google A.I. reads....

Compared to NASA, SpaceX is generally considered significantly more efficient, especially in terms of cost and speed, with studies showing SpaceX missions being up to ten times cheaper and twice as fast as NASA's on comparable projects, largely due to SpaceX's focus on reusable rockets and a more rapid development cycle.

We can certainly fact check that but my guess is it is fairly close. But just maybe he can help knock 5 or so off of Nasa's 25 billion dollar budget or get more done with it.

Just to help me get inside your mindset here, what do you believe the baseline for government efficiency should be?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:34 pm
The American electorate is unlikely to support DEI initiatives. Before discussing DEI, let's first address Affirmative Action and EEO. Most Americans understand that Affirmative Action and Equal Employment Opportunity are essential principles that underpin a fair society. Both provided women and minorities with an equal opportunity, ensuring that everyone, regardless of gender or skin color, could pursue their aspirations in America.
I don't think that you and others who are "anti-woke" or adamantly opposed to DEI really understand the real meaning and intent of either "woke" or "DEI." Either that, or you are basically intolerant, hateful bigots!
Should airlines prioritize hiring more black individuals as pilots to enhance diversity, or should they concentrate on selecting the most qualified candidates for the role?
Both of those things deserve equal priority. There is no essential conflict between the two.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91236006/de ... ing-talent
DEI AND MEI ARE COMPLEMENTARY, NOT CONTRADICTORY

DEI and MEI aren’t at opposite ends of the spectrum. Instead, they should work together to ensure that talent prevails after leveling the playing field. Businesses and leaders must get the DEI part right to evaluate the best person for the job and unlock individualized potential once they’re inside an organization.

If you break the concepts down, all six words—diversity, equity, inclusion, merit, efficiency, and intelligence—are awesome. They are also not in opposition to each other.

I find it helpful to turn up DEI and MEI principles based on goals. If you are searching for the best possible candidates for an open role, then turn up the DEI dial. Recognize that sometimes the best talent isn’t always in obvious places.

For example, Silicon Valley or big city hubs aren’t the only places to find talent. And if we only sourced Ivy League school graduates, I wouldn’t even be able to work at Contentstack, the company I co-founded.

If you’re ready to make a hiring decision based on a few top candidates, MEI principles can help. Plenty of studies show high performers prefer to be judged on their abilities and accomplishments.

Once potential candidates are employees, blend DEI and MEI principles for training and development and recognition initiatives. Leading with equity ensures all employees have the tools and support they need to thrive, whether it’s a childcare credit for working parents or an A.I.-driven project management tool for increased productivity.

Turn up the MEI dial when it’s time to recognize outcomes and behaviors you want to reinforce as an organization. Yes, that can be promotions for high performers, but it can also be peer-generated awards for living the corporate values.

A culture that blends DEI with MEI attracts and retains top talent by creating an environment where all employees can succeed and see a clear path for their development and recognition based on merit.
Some of the most successful and productive companies recognize the value and importance of DEI principles.
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