Trump Desires to be Sued Over Birthright Citizenship, Does Anyone Understand Why?

[Gadianton]

I don't think there is any single reason. Trump isn't a calculating master strategist. Trump is an unhinged loudmouth empowered by stupid people. We can accommodate all of the reasons listed so far as valid.

1) Sound loud, chaotic, and obnoxious. The Barnum insight, "There's no such thing as bad press". Get a huge picture of himself plastered on CNN, suck the oxygen out of the room for anything else that day; rubberneck at the train collision; whatever you want to call it. This is my #1 reason for not viewing any mainstream news anymore except one outlet, the tremendous money being made by everyone for Trump doing the next unhinged thing.

1.5) Keep Democrats scrabbling to keep up with his machine-gun chaos. The more Democrats waste their time responding to Trump, the less time they have coming up with a self-directed identity. Their only hope is to be the alternative if the country has buyer's remorse as they did in 2020.

2) What Hound said, play to his base -- the proto-Nazis that they are. Show himself as a "strong leader" trying to save the country but the deep state stops him at every turn.

3) What Markk said, the right-wing Supreme Court may just agree with him yet. It doesn't hurt to give it a shot. He didn't file 60+ cases to overthrow the 2020 election just for optics, he actually hoped the supreme court would agree with him.

4) The march to dictatorship. Trump isn't just a victim of the left, he's a victim of RINOs and anybody in power who disagrees with him including the Supreme Court. Normalize Trump yelling and the nation falling into lock step as much as possible, and never give an inch. At some point he needs to launch his investigation into the 2020 election as promised, as that's part of the act. There is no compromise. There is no getting down over failure -- it's like the car salesman who literally does not understand the word "no" and never gives up. He can't literally go after everyone who has slighted him, probably, but he must at least keep it on the table in messaging. What is the process for changing the constitution? How much does it matter? At the end of the day, our societal order is not bedrock physics. Can the Supreme Court overturn an election? It's a similar kind of question, it's uncharted territory. If enough officials in the right places are willing to follow his dictates, then it is what it is. If the Supreme Court can convince the nation that something Trump commanded is so, then fine, but he doesn't technically need the Supreme Court. The Supreme court could shoot him down, but if enough officials are willing to follow his order anyway, then he's effectively changed the laws.

[Hound of Heaven]

Noted that you expect that an illegal action should go unchallenged if committed by a favored politician or party.

I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't challenge Trump on his illegal executive order, rather, I'm advocating for waiting to do so until after the 2026 election. Here’s the perspective of the situation you may be overlooking. He secured the election mainly by focusing on border control. The election has concluded, and he is now focusing on border security and addressing illegal immigration, which means one of his primary campaign messages has essentially lost its relevance as he prepares for the 2026 electio. How does he succeed in making the Democrats appear to be in opposition to him regarding border issues in 2026? He persuades them to challenge an executive order that he claims aids him in preventing illegal immigration, effectively prolonging the battle Republicans won on in the 2024 election.

He requires the border crisis and undocumented individuals to be prominent in 2026. Legal action against him ensures that illegal immigration remains a key issue for voters. As I mentioned, the Democrats are being manipulated. Trump has a superior grasp of optics compared to us.

This is an illustration of what you can expect to see and hear from Trump over the next two years: This is Trump "My fellow Americans, I signed an executive order to prevent anchor babies from gaining citizenship in America for a very important reason:, to ensure that illegal immigrants, like the Haitian felon with 17 felony arrests, cannot come here and have children who become American citizens! My fellow Americans, do you want the illegal felon who expressed disdain for Trump, praised Biden, and thanked Obama to have his children here, making them American citizens? I urge you, my fellow Americans, to cast your votes for the Republicans in 2026. Together, we can work towards ratifying the 14th amendment, ensuring that anchor babies are no longer a reality in our great nation. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled against me and my executive order, I urge you to vote for the Republicans so we can strengthen our great country. Supporting the Democrats will grant them the authority to reverse all that I have achieved in securing the border. Trust me, their intention is to reopen it, allowing more undocumented individuals to have anchor babies in our wonderful nation."

It's all about optics! We need our own border plan. Being seen as opposing Trump with no plan is political suicide!

[canpakes]

Noted that you expect that an illegal action should go unchallenged if committed by a favored politician or party.

I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't challenge Trump on his illegal executive order, rather, I'm advocating for waiting to do so until after the 2026 election.

The issue is the process, not the subject. If you wait, then you risk the same outcome anyway, but you have an even greater fight ahead of you because the process and law was violated for two years. How do you reconcile that against your principles?

Realize, too, that Trump would just use it against Democrats two years from now that they are prosecuting their case against him, for political reasons. It’s going to happen.

Here’s the perspective of the situation you may be overlooking. He secured the election mainly by focusing on border control. The election has concluded, and he is now focusing on border security and addressing illegal immigration, which means one of his primary campaign messages has essentially lost its relevance as he prepares for the 2026 electio. How does he succeed in making the Democrats appear to be in opposition to him regarding border issues in 2026? He persuades them to challenge an executive order that he claims aids him in preventing illegal immigration, effectively prolonging the battle Republicans won on in the 2024 election.

I agree with this. That said, consider that it is already stated by Trump and believed by Republican Party/Trump voters that Democrats are ‘in opposition to him’ regarding border issues. Two years down the road, however, Trump and his Republican Congress will still be - as they are now - in the driver’s seat on immigration policy. What will the result of his policies of deportation be? If the border is essentially ‘shut down’, folks are being tossed back into Mexico, and services are being denied to anyone browner than a mocha coffee, then how will America not be humming along the road to Economic Paradise and World Domination? ; ) How will the 14th really become a significant issue to people more concerned about their heating and grocery bills?

He requires the border crisis and undocumented individuals to be prominent in 2026. Legal action against him ensures that illegal immigration remains a key issue for voters. As I mentioned, the Democrats are being manipulated. Trump has a superior grasp of optics compared to us.

This is an illustration of what you can expect to see and hear from Trump over the next two years: This is Trump "My fellow Americans, I signed an executive order to prevent anchor babies from gaining citizenship in America for a very important reason:, to ensure that illegal immigrants, like the Haitian felon with 17 felony arrests, cannot come here and have children who become American citizens! My fellow Americans, do you want the illegal felon who expressed disdain for Trump, praised Biden, and thanked Obama to have his children here, making them American citizens? I urge you, my fellow Americans, to cast your votes for the Republicans in 2026. Together, we can work towards ratifying the 14th amendment, ensuring that anchor babies are no longer a reality in our great nation. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled against me and my executive order, I urge you to vote for the Republicans so we can strengthen our great country. Supporting the Democrats will grant them the authority to reverse all that I have achieved in securing the border. Trust me, their intention is to reopen it, allowing more undocumented individuals to have anchor babies in our wonderful nation."

This speech is already written. But this is just how our system and Constitutional process works. If Trump wants to challenge them then he’ll do so regardless. He is doing it now in one way with the executive order, and he’ll do so down the road through the ratification process. But America, as a nation of laws, doesn’t have much of a choice but to defend our Constitution as opposed to otherwise allowing the process to be discarded in the wake of lawlessness, especially if lawlessness is the issue behind Trump’s challenge.

It's all about optics! We need our own border plan. Being seen as opposing Trump with no plan is political suicide!

Why do Democrats need ‘a border plan’? This is The Trump Show now. Let it play out. His policies, his results. The only ‘plan’ that Democrats need is to loudly and repeatedly point out that Trump needs to follow the court and ratification process for matters like this. No mention of ‘immigration’ is even needed.

Otherwise, what would you propose, and why?

If Trump wants to start pushing the idea that the anchor babies of felons are so dangerous and numerous that they’re somehow ruining his grand plan for A New ‘Murica, then he’s going to push it anyway (we’ve already pushed past ‘immigrants are eating your pets’, right?), but he should have to follow the normal ratification process. And doing that isn’t going to bring scads of people on board; it’s appeal lies primarily with those folks who already believe that immigration is the source of all of our problems, and who already vote accordingly.

[Dr. Shades]

A constitutional lawyer, Katie Cherasky, is stating that the Supreme Court has never offered a decision on this, and there is no precedence, and IHO Trump wants the court to hear this.

"IHO" = "Impartial Hearing Officer?"

[Markk]

A constitutional lawyer, Katie Cherasky, is stating that the Supreme Court has never offered a decision on this, and there is no precedence, and IHO Trump wants the court to hear this.

"IHO" = "Impartial Hearing Officer?"

In her opinion.

[Markk]

"Gad: Trump isn't a calculating master strategist."

Sure, he just accidently took down Hillary, then fought back against all odds and took down Biden, then Harris. But lol, looking at his competition, maybe you have a point!

But think about what he has done and changed, right or wrong, over the past eight years. We all laughed when he entered into politics, and now he is the most powerful man in the world for the second time; and yet you believe he is not a master strategist?

It is ironic that the GoP is now the party or peace, and the Democrat's are the party of war and censorship. That the Bush's and Cheney's are basically democrats these days. That past democratic supporters like Musk, Rogan, Zuckerberg, Gates, RFK, Gabbard are on Trump's team or sucking up with him. Even the media seems to be more neutral than it has been in decades. Hollywood seems to even be softening, even if just a little. All by accident Gad?

He knows exactly what he is doing here, he wants the the Supreme Court to hear and review the original intent of the amendment, and that it is not a right for any foreign nationals child that is born here, to become an automatic citizen. My guess is that even if the the Supreme Court does not hear the case, or sides with the status quo, he knows he can use it as a talking point to strengthen his base.

I appears what the democratic party, and the old school republican party, has done for the past 10 years, is underestimate him....which is right where he wants them; which may be his most calculated strategy of all.

[Hound of Heaven]

Why do Democrats need ‘a border plan’? This is The Trump Show now. Let it play out. His policies, his results.

Your statement stands out as the most disappointing I've encountered on this board, clearly highlighting the reasons behind Trump's presidency.

It's hard to fathom that I need to clarify this for you, but I will proceed regardless. The Democrats require a border plan, as it is the government's duty to safeguard the American people from both foreign and domestic threats. An open border poses a significant threat! Do you not think that an open border poses a significant risk?

Perhaps you may not, but the American electorate certainly did! When did an open border policy become integral to the identity of the Democratic Party?

There are several responsibilities that each party must uphold when they hold the majority, including maintaining a secure border and a robust national defense. When the ruling party appears indifferent to the protection of American citizens, it often leads to the minority party gaining control of the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, the White House, and the popular vote. Does that ring a bell?

Allow me to clarify my point in another manner, with the hope that you will see how your negative outlook impacted our chances in the election. Regardless of which party is in power, it is essential for both parties to uphold these fundamental responsibilities to ensure a secure and safe environment for the American people to live their lives normally, as these are vital for our national security. When voters perceive a party as safeguarding and upholding these fundamental responsibilities, essentially the stable foundation from which both parties should function before attempting to introduce any policies for an upcoming election, the American electorate will allow considerable flexibility for policy modifications and new policy concepts. When a party permits the foundation that both sides are committed to safeguarding to deteriorate, they frequently face removal from office for failing to protect the American populace.

This is precisely why a border plan is essential! We must take it upon ourselves to establish a border plan. Do you disagree? Do you believe that we have become a party focused solely on F Trump and that will allow us to win elections?

[Hound of Heaven]

This holds significant importance for Democrats to comprehend! As border czar, Kamala had the opportunity to implement the same strategies as Trump is doing now, and would still be viewed as a strong and fiercely loyal Democrat. She could have stood in front of the American people and stated that the reason for closing the border is that over 100,000 Americans are dying every year from fentanyl overdose, and as border czar, she is shutting the border down to protect the children! She could have sent thousands of marines to the border simply by claiming it was for the children. If she had closed the border, we would be looking at President Kamala today!

[¥akaSteelhead]

The original intent of the amendment has been taken advantage of, it was written after the Civil War for freed slaves, and he wants the Supreme Court to revisit it and make a decision, at least from what I have read.

Ironically, as I am writing this I am listening to the news on TV, and this just came up. A constitutional lawyer, Katie Cherasky, is stating that the Supreme Court has never offered a decision on this, and there is no precedence, and IHO Trump wants the court to hear this.

This will be an interesting one for sure.

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[Physics Guy]

The US-Mexico border is nearly 2000 miles long—a bit over 3000 kilometres—and then there is all the US coast that could be reached by sea from Mexico. If I think about what it would take to really close off all this access, my admittedly inexpert estimates keep coming out pretty big. Like, pretty much deploying the entire US Marine Corps to this single mission.

It could no doubt be done. Conceivably it could be worth it. I don't think it could be a small undertaking. It would be an operation on the scale of a war, just because there is so much distance to cover.