Thanks, USA!

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Well, I am trying my best to be polite about this appallingly dangerous person you have put in charge of the world's currently most powerful military machine.

Russia invades its much smaller and weaker neighbor, who has the temerity to resist with considerable success. Has there ever been a US president who would have spoken like this to the victim of invasion in a similar situation? And yet for the majority of US citizens who voted, this is the guy they like best.

Trump calls Zelenskyy a dictator amid fears of irreconcilable rift
Remark follows Ukrainian leader’s claim US president living in a Russian ‘disinformation bubble’

The US and Ukraine appear to be heading towards an irreconcilable rift after Donald Trump escalated his attacks on Volodymyr Zelenskyy, calling the Ukrainian president “a dictator” and warning that he “better move fast” or he “won’t have a country left”.

The US leader’s comments on Wednesday, which were rife with falsehoods, came after Zelenskyy said Trump was “trapped” in a Russian “disinformation bubble,” following Trump’s claims that Ukraine was to blame for Russia’s 2022 invasion, remarks that echoed the Kremlin’s narrative.

Trump, in a fiery rant on the Truth Social app marking his most direct threat to end the war on terms aligning with Moscow’s goals, wrote: “A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left.”

He added that Zelenskyy had “done a terrible job” and accused the Ukrainian president – without evidence – of benefiting from continuing US financial and military support, suggesting he had an interest in prolonging the war rather than seeking its end.

The US president wrote that Zelenskyy, whom he dismissed as “a modestly successful comedian”, had “talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a war that couldn’t be won, that never had to start.

“The only thing he was good at was playing Biden ‘like a fiddle’,” Trump wrote.

The unprecedented escalation of tensions between Kyiv and Washington came after senior US and Russian officials met in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday to discuss the war in Ukraine, as well as economic and political cooperation, indicating a fundamental shift in the US approach to Moscow.

Ukraine and Europe were excluded from the talks, increasing fears that Trump could push for a peace deal favouring Vladimir Putin.

“We are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only ‘Trump’ and the Trump Administration, can do,” Trump wrote.

Earlier in the day, Zelenskyy, in a combative press conference in Kyiv, said the US president was pushing “a lot of disinformation coming from Russia”.

“Unfortunately, President Trump, with all due respect for him as the leader of a nation that we respect greatly … is trapped in this disinformation bubble,” Zelenskyy said.

Zelenskyy’s comments, in turn, were a response to a series of inflammatory remarks on Tuesday evening, in which Trump first criticised him and suggested Ukraine was to blame for Moscow’s invasion.

Trump’s latest comments will cast serious doubt on future US aid to Ukraine. Zelenskyy has previously said that Ukraine had little chance of survival without support from the US, a key military partner.

While Zelenskyy said he would like Trump’s team to be “more truthful”, Putin, on the same day, said the US president had begun receiving “objective information” about the war in Ukraine that led him to “change his position”.

Putin also said that he “highly rated” the results of the Russia-US summit in Riyadh. “Russia and the US are cooperating on economic issues, energy markets, space, and other areas,” Putin said, adding that he was happy to meet Trump, but “preparation was necessary”.

On Truth Social, Trump doubled down on his accusations that Ukraine was at fault for Moscow’s invasion. He also claimed Zelenskyy “refused to hold elections”, and was “very low in Ukrainian polls.”

The statements aligned closely with the Kremlin’s narrative on Ukraine.

Earlier, Trump claimed Zelenskyy had a 4% approval rating, and called for a new election. On Wednesday Zelenskyy countered: “As we are talking about 4%, we have seen this disinformation, we understand it’s coming from Russia.”

The Ukraine president said that he never commented on popularity ratings, “especially my own or other leaders’”, but added that the latest poll showed a majority of Ukrainians trusted him. He added that any attempt to replace him during the war would fail.

While Zelenskyy’s popularity has declined in recent months, a February poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) found that 57% of Ukrainians trusted him, up from 52% a month earlier.

Mykhailo Fedorov, the head of Ukraine’s digital affairs ministry, argued on Wednesday that Zelenskyy’s ratings were “4-5%” higher than Trump’s.

Ukrainian legislation bans elections during martial law, which has been in place since Russia launched its invasion in February 2022. Few Ukrainians support the idea of a poll at a time when Russia’s invasion has forced millions to flee abroad, and when Ukrainian soldiers are fighting and dying on the frontline.

Ruslan Stefanchuk, the speaker of Ukraine’s parliament, said Ukraine was not “giving up” on elections. “Inventing ‘democracy’ under shelling is not democracy, but a spectacle in which the main beneficiary is in the Kremlin. Ukraine needs bullets, not ballots,” he wrote on his Facebook page.

Zelenskyy also disputed Trump’s comments that most of Ukraine’s support came from the US. “The truth is somewhere else,” Zelenskyy said, adding that he remained “grateful for the support” and wanted “the Trump team to have true facts”. He then said that the US supplied $67bn in weapons and $31.5bn in budget support.

Discussing a Trump-led initiative to corner his country’s critical minerals as a down-payment for continued military and economic aid, Zelenskyy said that he could not “sell Ukraine away” but he was prepared to work “on a serious document” if it contained “security guarantees”.

The US had proposed taking ownership of 50% of Ukraine’s critical minerals, but the proposal appeared to lack any security guarantees, such as the deployment of US troops in Ukraine.

Zelenskyy’s team has placed high importance on the need for guarantees from the US that would deter Russia from launching a new invasion once a peace deal was reached.
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Trump supporters want America to be one of the bad guys who join with Putin as they conquer Europe.
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Trump is a turd. A very dangerous turd. I regret the day he was born.
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Trump could say anything and his intellectually impaired followers would believe him. He’s finding they have no limits to the amount of lies they’ll believe.
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drumdude wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:10 pm
Trump could say anything and his intellectually impaired followers would believe him. He’s finding they have no limits to the amount of lies they’ll believe.
Seriously. I've had Trump supporters hesitate when they hear the latest nonsense, and then say something like, "well.... let's see how it pans out," with a nervous laugh.

It's ridiculous.
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Marcus wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:42 am
drumdude wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:10 pm
Trump could say anything and his intellectually impaired followers would believe him. He’s finding they have no limits to the amount of lies they’ll believe.
Seriously. I've had Trump supporters hesitate when they hear the latest nonsense, and then say something like, "well.... let's see how it pans out," with a nervous laugh.

It's ridiculous.
I just had an extended family member say, in response to Trump’s latest Ukraine/Zelenskyy comments, that they don’t ‘understand’ Trump’s comments and that they’re ‘waiting for the punchline’.

I responded that there will be no punch line.
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It’s been so many incremental steps to get here. Trump drawing fake hurricane paths on maps. Elon lying about being an elite gamer. Dumb. But harmless.

The DOGE claim that social security payments were made to 200 year olds was quickly debunked, but doesn’t matter. Damage is done, every Trump supporter now takes it as a fact. Casus belli to continue dismantling the government, proof that everyone in government who is not loyal to Trump is a lying traitor.

The “Ukraine attacked Russia” nonsense is just straight up Orwellian.

Now we wait for Trump’s Supreme Court to see if they allow him to unilaterally invalidate the 14th amendment by executive order. This is all happening so fast I don’t know any Americans who can keep up.
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It's frightening how his followers will unhesitatingly believe almost any nonsense Trump invents with no evidence whatsoever and deny any fact check refuting it, no matter how incontrovertible and abundant. Even when caught in a lie and having to admit it was a lie, they justify repeating the lie because owning or defeating the libs is somehow more important to them than telling the truth, completely oblivious to the fact if lies are necessary to support their cause, that in itself reveals the utter worthlessness of their cause! Just as JD Vance justified repeating the lie of Haitian refugees eating their neighbors' pets was ok, as long as it helped turn public opinion against them.
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"Yeah, but did you see what Ukraine was wearing when it happened?..." type energy.
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Well, I am trying my best to be polite about this appallingly dangerous person you have put in charge of the world's currently most powerful military machine.

Russia invades its much smaller and weaker neighbor, who has the temerity to resist with considerable success. Has there ever been a US president who would have spoken like this to the victim of invasion in a similar situation? And yet for the majority of US citizens who voted, this is the guy they like best.
Perhaps this is a message to Europe to step up and take the lead in securing a peace on your own continent. If you don't like the way we're doing it, feel free to get out your own wallets and spill your own blood. But this might infringe upon your welfare state funds and force your people to work a sixty hour week and abolish retirement the way we've had to do in America.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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