Donald J Trump Assumes Full Control of the Progressive Movement

[canpakes]

The problem is there is nothing Democrats can fundamentally run on to make things better.

Correct. People prefer the easy path, and will fall in line behind anyone who presents one, even if the path offered is complete bullshyte.

And if someone can be made out to be the oppressor to blame one’s problems on - while lacking any evidence of how that would be the case - then so much the better.

This is the current playbook of Trump’s version of the Republican Party.

Democrats, in response, fail to lie, insult and degrade as much as they would need to, to keep up with the Trump approach.

Reality will nearly always lose out to BS, because there will always be many more people invested in protecting their belief system and ego, than willing to challenge either in pursuit of something not apparently immediately beneficial to themselves.

[Some Schmo]

I'm amused and saddened by the post-election analysis that goes something like Democrats failed to message well to idiots. They need to learn how to attract more morons.

I'm paraphrasing, but not much.

[Hound of Heaven]

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The problem is there is nothing Democrats can fundamentally run on to make things better.
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Such a negative outlook!

Claiming that our only option as Democrats is to passively observe Trump and wish for his actions to backfire, leading to public discontent, highlights the very reasons why he and the Republicans were overwhelmingly elected to office.

Consider DOGE. Throughout the past four years, Biden and Kamala had the opportunity to reach out to Elon for assistance in navigating the federal government to identify waste, fraud, and overspending. They didn't need to use Elon, anyone would have worked. Keep in mind, he identified as a democrat until just a few months back. He would have done it gladly for them just as he is doing it for Trump! However, because he is associated with Trump, progressives are attempting to tarnish his reputation and portray him as a villain, but their efforts are failing; 80% of Americans support his actions. That 80% approval could have been Bidens 80%, but it isn't. DOGE isn't political in the way that it aligns with either republican or democrat ideologies, rather, it highlights an overspending issue that both parties share responsibility for. However, the democrats are permitting the progressive faction to dictate the party's agenda, which gives the impression that they support the excessive spending of taxpayer dollars.

Consider the border issue. Biden stated that no action could be taken without congressional support, while Trump has nearly eliminated all illegal border crossings in just six weeks. Biden and Harris had the opportunity to halt all illegal border crossings within six weeks, similar to what Trump accomplished. A secure border transcends party linesm it is fundamentally a matter of national security that both Republicans and Democrats must address together.

If Biden and Harris had simply secured the border, which is not a political issue, and had merely acted as though they were trimming government excess, Trump would not be president today. That was all that was needed for Harris to secure the victory. All they needed to do was fulfill their responsibilities, not in a liberal or progressive manner, but simply as president and vice president.

[Hound of Heaven]

It is a fascist movement by definition.

Feel free to continue labeling Republicans and Trump as fcist, Nazis, and white supremacists until you can't anymore, as it only reveals your own ignorance!

Consider me as an example. As a moderate democrat, it makes me cringe inside to see that you feel this way about the majority of Americans, because I know for a fact that the vast majority are not facist, nazis, or white supremacists. As I've mentioned before, I recognize that the effort to depict Republicans as Fascist is part of the progressive narrative, and like many Americans, I want to distance myself from that.

By labeling your fellow Americans as Fascist, you are achieving the opposite of what I believe you intend. Your hateful speech is genuinely causing the Democratic Party to shrink by driving people away. Progressivism demands steadfast adherence to its principles, which is increasingly difficult for many Democrats to endure, while the Republican Party under Trump is welcoming all who are ready to cast their votes for them. Do you not realize that a majority is required to win elections?

Excluding individuals from the party due to the progressives demand for unquestioning loyalty is not inviting. Your rhetoric is simply filled with hate. You are undermining the Democratic Party. You're engaging in the suicide dance, and you aren't even aware that you're doing it. It truly is unfortunate.

[Molok]

I swear, Russia is just using this site to train a "Democrat" social media bot.

[canpakes]

Excluding individuals from the party due to the progressives demand for unquestioning loyalty is not inviting.

Your response illustrates why this thread isn’t sustainable . As mentioned earlier,

Democrats, in response, fail to lie, insult and degrade as much as they would need to, to keep up with the Trump approach.

[Moksha]

Is there any way we could get a moratorium on threads with Progressive or Progressiveism in the title?

[Kishkumen]

Feel free to continue labeling Republicans and Trump as fcist, Nazis, and white supremacists until you can't anymore, as it only reveals your own ignorance!

No, it reveals my ability to read and understand plain English. Your response shows how far your head is jammed up your own rear end.

Consider me as an example. As a moderate democrat, it makes me cringe inside to see that you feel this way about the majority of Americans, because I know for a fact that the vast majority are not facist, nazis, or white supremacists. As I've mentioned before, I recognize that the effort to depict Republicans as Fascist is part of the progressive narrative, and like many Americans, I want to distance myself from that.

By labeling your fellow Americans as Fascist, you are achieving the opposite of what I believe you intend. Your hateful speech is genuinely causing the Democratic Party to shrink by driving people away. Progressivism demands steadfast adherence to its principles, which is increasingly difficult for many Democrats to endure, while the Republican Party under Trump is welcoming all who are ready to cast their votes for them. Do you not realize that a majority is required to win elections?

I’m not running a political party, doofus. I am reading political science and applying it to the Trump movement. My observations are confirmed by numerous experts on the topic of fascism. Just because you don’t like to hear your movement called fascist doesn’t mean it isn’t. All you have shown me is that what matters with you is your feelings and how the ends justify the means in your mind. If the facts offend you, you save your tender heart by dismissing them.

[Kishkumen]

I swear, Russia is just using this site to train a "Democrat" social media bot.

Could be. I would like to think that no one could be so obtuse, but the Trump lovers who sustain this length of discussion often are.

[Kishkumen]

Such a negative outlook!

Claiming that our only option as Democrats is to passively observe Trump and wish for his actions to backfire, leading to public discontent, highlights the very reasons why he and the Republicans were overwhelmingly elected to office.

Consider DOGE. Throughout the past four years, Biden and Kamala had the opportunity to reach out to Elon for assistance in navigating the federal government to identify waste, fraud, and overspending. They didn't need to use Elon, anyone would have worked. Keep in mind, he identified as a democrat until just a few months back. He would have done it gladly for them just as he is doing it for Trump! However, because he is associated with Trump, progressives are attempting to tarnish his reputation and portray him as a villain, but their efforts are failing; 80% of Americans support his actions. That 80% approval could have been Bidens 80%, but it isn't. DOGE isn't political in the way that it aligns with either republican or democrat ideologies, rather, it highlights an overspending issue that both parties share responsibility for. However, the democrats are permitting the progressive faction to dictate the party's agenda, which gives the impression that they support the excessive spending of taxpayer dollars.

Consider the border issue. Biden stated that no action could be taken without congressional support, while Trump has nearly eliminated all illegal border crossings in just six weeks. Biden and Harris had the opportunity to halt all illegal border crossings within six weeks, similar to what Trump accomplished. A secure border transcends party linesm it is fundamentally a matter of national security that both Republicans and Democrats must address together.

If Biden and Harris had simply secured the border, which is not a political issue, and had merely acted as though they were trimming government excess, Trump would not be president today. That was all that was needed for Harris to secure the victory. All they needed to do was fulfill their responsibilities, not in a liberal or progressive manner, but simply as president and vice president.

Come on, HoH. It is obvious you don’t care what Biden and Harris did do so much as you have swallowed what Trump says they should have done and you, being unfathomably gullible, believe that Trump will or even can keep his promises.

“Such a negative outlook, Gad! If only you would love Big Brother as I do, then everything would be wonderful, I promise!” ~HoH