Catching Questions question this time I can add a thought. To the best of my knowledge Jesus did not set up a specific system, systems formed naturally. One might notice the plural. Perhaps instead of picking one sect it would be better to accept variety as appropriate to the variety of people and the limited nature of people's knowledge and understanding.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:12 amGiven that Jesus had an "open to all" egalitarian approach, imposed no hierarchy and preached to all in equal terms, what religious sect reflects His approach the most in the world today?
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Unitarian-Universalists?I Have Questions wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:12 amGiven that Jesus had an "open to all" egalitarian approach, imposed no hierarchy and preached to all in equal terms, what religious sect reflects His approach the most in the world today?
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Do they have the equivalent of a Peter or a Paul? Or a James or a John?Moksha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:59 pmUnitarian-Universalists?I Have Questions wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:12 amGiven that Jesus had an "open to all" egalitarian approach, imposed no hierarchy and preached to all in equal terms, what religious sect reflects His approach the most in the world today?
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Jesus (if you believe the Iron Age bloggers versions of events) didn’t have meeting after meeting after meeting. He didn’t keep membership records as a way of keeping score. He didn’t accumulate wealth and hide it away. He didn’t set up wards and stakes and areas. He didn’t require people to “attend” something on a regular basis. His gospel was found in how you live and behave day in day out, not what religious club you were a member of.huckelberry wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:49 pmCatching Questions question this time I can add a thought. To the best of my knowledge Jesus did not set up a specific system, systems formed naturally. One might notice the plural. Perhaps instead of picking one sect it would be better to accept variety as appropriate to the variety of people and the limited nature of people's knowledge and understanding.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:12 amGiven that Jesus had an "open to all" egalitarian approach, imposed no hierarchy and preached to all in equal terms, what religious sect reflects His approach the most in the world today?
When Joseph prayed to ask which was religious sect was right he was told to join none of them. Which suggests to me that, like me, Jesus isn’t a fan of organised institutionalised religion.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Actually, we know precious little about the day to day activities of Jesus and how the 'the church' operated and/or was 'run'. Or what 'records' were kept. Or how the 'wealth' accumulated through any tithes were kept track of, etc. These words have meaning to us that they didn't 2000 years ago. I find it interesting that the words we use in our modern parlance are used as direct comparisons and/or models on how the ancients went about doing things.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:23 pmJesus (if you believe the Iron Age bloggers versions of events) didn’t have meeting after meeting after meeting. He didn’t keep membership records as a way of keeping score. He didn’t accumulate wealth and hide it away. He didn’t set up wards and stakes and areas. He didn’t require people to “attend” something on a regular basis. His gospel was found in how you live and behave day in day out, not what religious club you were a member of.huckelberry wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:49 pmCatching Questions question this time I can add a thought. To the best of my knowledge Jesus did not set up a specific system, systems formed naturally. One might notice the plural. Perhaps instead of picking one sect it would be better to accept variety as appropriate to the variety of people and the limited nature of people's knowledge and understanding.
When Joseph prayed to ask which was religious sect was right he was told to join none of them. Which suggests to me that, like me, Jesus isn’t a fan of organised institutionalised religion.
Of course, Jesus didn't set up wards an stakes. Those are words that didn't exist back in that day. At least not with any meaning that comes close to the way we use them in the modern church. We do know that the apostle Paul and the other disciples of Jesus were sent out to particular geographical locations/areas to spread and teach the gospel.
They were addressed as "churches". To say there wasn't any kind of organization that served the 'body of Christ' isn't supported by the scriptures.
IHQ, I haven't figured out why you focus on and ask some of the questions that you do. They are often kind of silly.
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The reflection in the mirror, and the thoughts behind that reflection, is Jesus' preferred sect.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:12 amGiven that Jesus had an "open to all" egalitarian approach, imposed no hierarchy and preached to all in equal terms, what religious sect reflects His approach the most in the world today?
But see, I do it, too: because in my mind, if there really is a God of Intelligence, he's not going to punish me for rejecting obvious frauds.
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Aren't those guys exclusive to Mormonism?
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Maybe I misunderstood your question. Unitarians started from Pilgrim roots around 1653. The people back then were familiar with all the Biblical characters. However, I know that Mormon lore transformed them into angelic characters that ministered unto Joseph and Oliver, so the Unitarians would not have had those guys, but the ones mentioned in the Bible.
Are you familiar with non-LDS faith traditions?
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At the time of Jesus he called apostles/disciples and set them apart from others to do missionary work and oversee the churches that were scattered about.Moksha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:08 amMaybe I misunderstood your question. Unitarians started from Pilgrim roots around 1653. The people back then were familiar with all the Biblical characters. However, I know that Mormon lore transformed them into angelic characters that ministered unto Joseph and Oliver, so the Unitarians would not have had those guys, but the ones mentioned in the Bible.
Are you familiar with non-LDS faith traditions?
They had names. Peter, James, John, and others.
My point is that at that time Jesus, even though egalitarian, was also an 'organizational man' as he sent forth his disciples to gather his followers together to worship. His apostles 'grew' the fledgling church under Jesus's original calling and setting apart with his authority and permission.
Earlier I mentioned that the CofJCofLDS makes the claim to have this same divine 'permission' and authority...and that it matters.
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