Trump is not a fascist

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Mr. Garcia isn't covered in MS 13 tattoos. He has no criminal convictions in the United States. His status was determined by our court system. He attends annual check ins as required. Mr. Garcia was denied due process. That's all anyone needs to know.
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Markk wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:30 am
I disagree, there are clauses and acts that dictate otherwise. There is a fundamental disagreement here and in the end the the Supreme Court will decide.

Garcia was declared a member of a terrorist organization. Two judges stated he is an MS-13 member. His breaking the law with his failures to appear is enough alone to have him deported per the US code. His receiving protection does not negate his being a member of MS-13. His being a wife beater is just another reason for his removal.

Pretending that there is not clause in the constitution and precedence to "excuse" due process is just avoiding the constitution and the amendments and decision related to it.

Again this will be looked at by the the Supreme Court, they want more information from the courts and from the Executive branch. We will see what they decide soon.

I keep asking, maybe you will answer the question....What is the plan of the left, with dealing with these gangs? How will they round them up, detain them, and give them due process? They didn't do a lot under Biden, but let more in. So if the the Supreme Court sides against the AEA, how should we as a country, deal with these gangs, and Garcia as a wife beater and member of MS-13, as terrorists per US 1189 and other codes and laws?
My campus was just shot up by a white supremacist. There are white supremacist groups that greatly outnumber MS-13. What are we going to do about them? Should we declare war on these “bad hombres,” deny them due process as enemies of the state, and ship them off to a Salvadoran gulag? I bet plenty of these guys deal drugs and commit other crimes. Undoubtedly some “wife beaters” too. What about those who sympathize with them, or bear suspicious tattoos?

We are distracted by elephant and ass fights, and in the meantime we lose our freedoms when security is preferred over them. At this point we are looking more and more like a police state, thanks to Trump’s heavy handed bungling of deportations. The issue is not whether there should be deportations. The issue is whether they are done lawfully and expertly. Trump’s deportations are police-state porn complete with action figure Nazi-Barbie Noem, who comes in all kinds of silly outfits with expensive accessories. The Trump regime is a collection of dangerous, inept clowns.

I don’t want them to turn my beloved country into an authoritarian $h1th0le. They are trying really hard to do exactly that.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:52 am
We are distracted by elephant and ass fights, . . .
Off I go to google "elephant and ass fight". . .
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Kish: My campus was just shot up by a white supremacist. There are white supremacist groups that greatly outnumber MS-13
CFR on these WSGs, and I will certainly comment on them. From what I read there are globally around 30-50 MS-Members. Who are the WS groups here that out number these gangs and let's explore that. Any criminal group in my opinion should be dealt with swiftly, and if here illegally, removed and/or incarcerated quickly.

It is unfortunate that the person, with a white supremacy background, murdered innocents. He should be dealt with accordingly and be given the death penalty or never see the light of day again. These sorts of things happen every day with gang members in our country, in cities throughout the US and the world, and in my opinion they to should receive their due. There are cities like Chicago, New Orleans, St. louis, and San Bernardino, my home town....where murder of others like the shooting at FSU happens every day, by evil and mentally ill people, and a large percentage of these killings and violent crimes are gang driven. Why aren't the almost daily mass shootings in our country given the same press? There were well over 500 of these last year Kish.

It seems that you are being selective on which criminals you want to detest; I personally detest them all. It seems as if your bubble was popped, and you experienced evil first hand in your secluded community.

These foreign illegal gangs are terrorizing the neighborhoods they live in, like FSU was terrorized by Ikner, everyday. And they recruit the youth of those communities.

If these white supremacy groups are criminal in nature, yes we should go after them, big time. Again CFR on who these are and I will take a look at that Kish, and we can discuss.

Unfortunately we don't know when people like Ikner will snap, but we do know the gangs that terrorize that rape, murder, and steal in our country, big time, that are here illegally. What is your plan, and those on the left, to deal with these folks?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:38 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:52 am
We are distracted by elephant and ass fights, . . .
Off I go to google "elephant and ass fight". . .
GOP vs Democrat's
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Markk wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:40 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:38 pm
Off I go to google "elephant and ass fight". . .
GOP vs Democrat's
Ahh, I see. Thank you.
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Markk wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:39 pm
From what I read there are globally around 30-50 MS-Members.
So, the number of MS-13 members in the US will probably be far fewer than the number of people Trump deports to a Salvadoran gulag without due process. Thanks for that concession.
It is unfortunate that the person, with a white supremacy background, murdered innocents.
Why, because you were expecting better from white supremacists? I would say it is horrible when anyone murders anyone.
Why aren't the almost daily mass shootings in our country given the same press? There were well over 500 of these last year Kish.
I was not of the impression that FSU's shooting got an inordinate amount of press.
It seems that you are being selective on which criminals you want to detest; I personally detest them all. It seems as if your bubble was popped, and you experienced evil first hand in your secluded community.
Well, you got that wrong. We had another shooting at our library, that is, closer to my office than this one, in 2014.
These foreign illegal gangs are terrorizing the neighborhoods they live in, like FSU was terrorized by Ikner, everyday. And they recruit the youth of those communities.
And all of this can be dealt with constitutionally.
What is your plan . . . to deal with these folks?
Use the institutions we have, give alleged criminals due process, and not drum up new processes that terrorize practically everyone.
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Markk wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:56 am
… you keep saying it is about due process great, what is the plan to get them into court, …
Well, I suppose that you could charge someone for having tattoos, using a law that may not exist, and then try to make your case that they’re guilty of something for it. : D

What’s your plan?
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Markk wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:39 pm
Kish: My campus was just shot up by a white supremacist. There are white supremacist groups that greatly outnumber MS-13
CFR on these WSGs, and I will certainly comment on them. From what I read there are globally around 30-50 MS-Members. Who are the WS groups here that out number these gangs and let's explore that.

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There were a lot more than 50 people marching with torches in Charlottesville a couple of years back, chanting "Jews will not replace us".

Do those people count as white supremacists in your book?
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Markk wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:30 am
Pretending that there is not clause in the constitution and precedence to "excuse" due process is just avoiding the constitution and the amendments and decision related to it.
Please quote this Constitutional clause that you maintain is there and that I keeping asking for.
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