Kish: My campus was just shot up by a white supremacist. There are white supremacist groups that greatly outnumber MS-13
CFR on these WSGs, and I will certainly comment on them. From what I read there are globally around 30-50 MS-Members. Who are the WS groups here that out number these gangs and let's explore that.
There were a lot more than 50 people marching with torches in Charlottesville a couple of years back, chanting "Jews will not replace us".
Do those people count as white supremacists in your book?
Your response was:
Markk wrote:Yes...there are some very racist people in our country. There are many people here that hate, have your read some of Kish's and Schmos' posts lately? Jersey Girl actually implied she would enjoy having someone pull the plug on Trump. Schmo wrote maybe the most hateful post I have seen on this forum to Ceeboo. Hate is hate, and racism vs ideological hate is really no different.
Do you consider the antisemtic demonstrations and violence of the streets and collages racism? I do.
But to your question, if those racists are violent and break the law, prosecute them and lock them up. In turn should we go after the violent antisemite demonstrators?
Gotta run...
Your "yes' is all that interests me. You agree that there are far more white supremacists in the USA than the "globally around 30-50 MS-Members". Your attempts to say "well, there are lots of other nasty people too" and to smear other posters as "people here that hate", are no more than a weak attempt to distract from the fact that there is NO doubt about there being far, far more white supremacists in the USA than there are MS members.
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Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Your "yes' is all that interests me. You agree that there are far more white supremacists in the USA than the "globally around 30-50 MS-Members". Your attempts to say "well, there are lots of other nasty people too" and to smear other posters as "people here that hate", are no more than a weak attempt to distract from the fact that there is doubt about there being far, far more white supremacists in the USA than there are MS members.
And it would be interesting to see Trump tell America what he is doing about the problem, aside from aiding and abetting white supremacism.
Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
The U.S. Justice Department estimates that more than 10,000 MS-13 gang members now live in the United States, and more than 30,000 worldwide. While MS-13 in the U.S. was initially concentrated on the West Coast, it is now found in many major urban centers in an estimated 40 states.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations targeting violent street gangs have shown that the majority of gang members are U.S. citizens. A gang-related five-week surge operation ICE reported in the spring of 2016 resulted in 1,133 total arrests, of whom 894 (about 80 percent) were U.S. citizens. Foreign nationals thus made up less than 20 percent of those arrested. A surge operation in 2015 had similar percentages.[3] There are no official figures about the composition of MS-13.
More specifically, I was going to say something about how the error was made in the first place, but I won't.
Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
He went through the due process, process, and by two judges because of the collaborating evidences, he was determined to be a ranking member of MS-13, and because of the due process, process, he was given protection, which is basically a stay of executing his deportation. This was put into effect, because of the due process he received. When Trump invoked the EAE, this allowed the government to deport Garcia because of his determined membership with MS-13, by two judges, during the due process, process.
Huck if you want to argue that the Gov did not inform the courts that Garcia would no longer be in danger in his native country, by other gangs, that would be a better and more accurate argument. But as I have been saying the the Supreme Court will hear this, and make a decision from what I have been reading. At this point the court asked the gov to make efforts to bring Garcia back, and the President of El Salvador said no, because Garcia is a gang member, which is illegal to be in Garcia's native country.
The majority of the country, and a growing majority believes the breakdown is that illegal immigration had grown grossly out of control. As I am writing this before I leave for work, in Maryland as I watch the news, another illegal immigrant has just been charged with murder of a Maryland woman. And again in my opinion and millions of Americans, this the real breakdown.
Cakes is correct, my question is that no one will address is "what is the left's solution to first rounding up these gang members and criminal illegal aliens, and then what? Most America's understand that there are deep problems with the system and a huge breakdown.
Frightening that you don't see shipping off people to an authoritarian hellhole outside of the country to be the dystopian dodge that it is.
And, by the way, it is spelled El Salvador.
First off, have you seen videos of the prison, the whole prison? It is cleaner and better that most US prisons, certainly safer. And second, the people that are being shipped off for the very most part are criminals. Unless you are saying El Salvador as a country is a hellhole.
Do you believe that El Salvador was better off before the current president was in office, when the murder rate was somewhere around 6000k per hundred K? Or today when it is around 2, if I remember correctly?
