Trump is not a fascist

[Chap]

First off, have you seen videos of the prison, the whole prison? It is cleaner and better that most US prisons, certainly safer. And second, the people that are being shipped off for the very most part are criminals.

So if a few people are seized by ICE and sent to this prison for life by mistake, that's fine, and the US government who had them shipped off to this prison need not do anything to correct their mistake.

And of course we can rely on the government to send us a video that accurately represents how the people concerned are actually held. Why wouldn't they? I mean, the guys in that prison have even got Margueritas. So what's not to like?

[¥akaSteelhead]

Can anyone point to any instrument of the law: constitution of statute that empowers the President/DOJ/DHS to send people to a prison in a third party country (that obviously would not meet 8th amendment criteria) without a criminal trial?

The AEA doesn't get you there.

These guys are essentially engaged in sending people to what is effectively a concentration camp, and some portion of Americans are cheering for it.

[Kishkumen]

Can anyone point to any instrument of the law: constitution of statute that empowers the President/DOJ/DHS to send people to a prison in a third party country (that obviously would not meet 8th amendment criteria) without a criminal trial?

The AEA doesn't get you there.

These guys are essentially engaged in sending people to what is effectively a concentration camp, and some portion of Americans are cheering for it.

It is an excellent question, and I have yet to see a MAGA head answer it satisfactorily.

[Doctor Steuss]

He could literally be a founding member of MS-13, with ties to a thousand murders. This post hoc search for reasons doesn’t magically make the fact disappear that an existing court order was violated (with no attempt to amend, appeal, or dissolve that existing order), and due process was ignored.

Hey Huck,

He went through the due process, process, and by two judges because of the collaborating evidences, he was determined to be a ranking member of MS-13, and because of the due process, process, he was given protection, which is basically a stay of executing his deportation. This was put into effect, because of the due process he received. When Trump invoked the EAE, this allowed the government to deport Garcia, because of his determined membership with MS-13, by two judges, during the due process, process.

Huck didn't write that.

There was a standing court order stating there was a single country he could not be deported to. That court order was violated. This was a denial of due process. Full stop.

Every single Supreme Court justice, including the two most conservative justices in the entire history of the court, who have a long documented history of accepting undisclosed "gifts" from MAGA-adjacent billionaires, disagrees with you. One of the most respected Raegan appointees still serving disagrees with you.

I'm not a lawyer, and certainly no legal expert, so I personally am left to rely on them and their interpretation of events and the Constitution, and assume they have access to things I don't. Usually, when not even a single Justice dissents, I would think it's safe to assume the issue is pretty black and white.

[Jersey Girl]

He went through the due process, process, and by two judges because of the collaborating evidences, he was determined to be a ranking member of MS-13, and because of the due process, process, he was given protection, which is basically a stay of executing his deportation. This was put into effect, because of the due process he received. When Trump invoked the EAE, this allowed the government to deport Garcia, because of his determined membership with MS-13, by two judges, during the due process, process.

the Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is in defiance of the standing court order. Period. End to it.

Sorry, but you don't know jack about the case. I'd like to see a primary source that determined Mr. Garcia was a member of MS-13.

Dish it up, buddy.

[Doctor Steuss]

Sorry, but you don't know jack about the case. I'd like to see a primary source that determined Mr. Garcia was a member of MS-13.

Unless Bondi has released more of the previously non-public documents/rulings, the first judicial ruling was that the DHS' claims that Abrego was a member of MS-13 "appear[ed] to be trustworthy," but the ruling also noted that the report the DHS was using as key evidence had inconsistencies. Then later an appeals board upheld that ruling.

That something appears to be trustworthy, but has inconsistencies seems to me to be a bit different than "determined [him] to be a ranking member of MS-13."

Of note, here is portion of Judge Xinis' ruling (which included the order for the facilitation of Garcia's return), which the Supreme Court upheld.

"Although the legal basis for the mass removal of hundreds of individuals to El Salvador remains disturbingly unclear, Abrego Garcia’s case is categorically different—there were no legal grounds whatsoever for his arrest, detention, or removal ... his detention appears wholly lawless.”

Basically, we either have judges from three different courts, appointed by a myriad of Presidents (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden) all conspiring against Trump for the benefit of Garcia. Or (and I know this is a hard pill to swallow), the guy who was President while immigrants were being sterilized against their will, 70 people flagged by ICE as American citizens were deported, and one American citizen spent 3.5 years in ICE detention -- that guy might not have the best track record of following the law when it comes to immigration.

[canpakes]

Cakes is correct, my question is that no one will address is "what is the left's solution to first rounding up these gang members and criminal illegal aliens, …

The previous (Biden) Administration seems to have done a better job of this than the Trump Administration before it. Did you read the report from CATO? Because there’s your answer.

and then what?

And then, due process.

Most Americans understand that there are deep problems with the system and a huge breakdown.

In the past couple of months, Trump has fired dozens of immigration judges and laid off over 100 staff working within the immigration court system.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-53 ... dges-fired

The aim of the Trump Administration is not to ‘fix’, or even maintain, the immigration system. Just as it would also prefer to simply do away with the due process aspect of it.

If you support our Constitution, then this should concern you.

[Gunnar]

It should be blazingly obvious by now to every alert and well-informed person that Trump's aims are not to fix government agencies, like the immigration court system, and enable them to do their jobs better, but to gut them and make them as dysfunctional as possible so he can claim that they just don't work and that only he can fix things.

[Jersey Girl]

Markk has no blessed clue what is going on, what due process is, how due process is applied in this current violation of Mr. Garcia's rights, and I see no evidence (admittedly don't read all of his posts) that he is remotely aware that the Supreme Court already ruled and has continued to uphold that ruling AGAINST the activity of the Trump administration, that Trump IGNORED that ruling or that Trump has already been warned that HE is in a position to be charged with CRIMINAL CONTEMPT over a man who has NO criminal convictions while Trump himself is CONVICTED FELON at least 34 times over.

But yeah, let's dodge our butts off and ask...so what's the left's plan? Crimany sakes!

[Doctor Steuss]

As an aside, supposedly Garcia has been moved from CECOT to another facility. I don’t know whether this move will shield the Trump administration from their previous lies about not being able to do anything, since they had a contractual custodianship agreement when he was in CECOT as part of the US paying to imprison him indefinitely. I’m all but certain that’s the reasoning behind the move though. Outside of CECOT, they probably have better footing to argue that he truly is in El Salvadorian custody.

Somehow, the Trump administration is able to get Romania to return a sex trafficker and rapist to American soil, but not a country we were literally paying to imprison an alleged gang member with an instance of domestic abuse. Given Tate's history of rape and sex trafficking, I assume he's needed to fill a cabinet position though.