Trump is not a fascist

[Kishkumen]

The point that you have continued to dodge over and over is: what would have prevented either of your two work associates from being deported a week before they received their notification of citizenship, if that decision was made outside of our laws and due process, and because Trump needed some bodies to fill the ICE van in front of those TV cameras?

You’re telling us ‘if you just follow the rules…’, while also claiming that immigration judges aren’t needed and that we can and should deport anyone who has been following the rules, or issued TPS.

I have never seen anyone so impervious to facts as these MAGAts. The ability to ignore the contradictions in their own positions is also astounding. The truth is there really is no huge immigration problem. I will tell you what I think is happening. The country is less white than it used to be, so guys like Markk and Ajax go around assuming that most of the brown people they see are undocumented immigrants.

I live in Florida. There are people from Central and South America and the Caribbean all around me. Somehow, I am not flipping out over it. Any job site you see is packed with non-white people. So are the landscaping businesses. There are tons of restaurants and grocers that serve these communities. Honestly, I love it. I love the fact that I can go to a grocery store that is serving Latin communities, the Indian community, or Asian communities. 20 years ago these places did not exist at this scale. Now they are here, and I love it. I don't see what the panic is about. Perhaps if I were in Texas, I would be upset. But, not everyone voting for Trump on these issues is from Texas, or Arizona, or New Mexico. I am sure some people are having issues. I don't see them so much here, but, then, I like the cultural, ethnic, and linguistic variety in my area.

But, again, as I have said before, the Roman Empire lasted for centuries, and up to the reign of Caracalla in the third century AD, the maximum percentage of citizen inhabitants in the empire was probably somewhere between 7 and 10 percent. This means that of the roughly 60 million inhabitants of the empire, at most 6 million were citizens. This is the inverse of the situation Markk is panicked about. There are roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants in the US right now. The total population of the United States is somewhere around 345,000,000 people. So, less than 3.5% of the population consists of undocumented immigrants.

Where is the crisis? Where is this huge flood? This is a completely phony problem. Only people who don't know math and get wound up over anecdotal evidence are pooping their pants on this one. And they are effing stupid to give up a meaningful citizenship to Trump authoritarianism over their irrational fears.

Here is Markk, wetting himself daily because of undocumented immigrants who, ignorant of the identity of George Washington, manage to do important labor, consume goods, and pay taxes. Oh my! What a little baby.

[Markk]

Sitting across form me is a kid (30 years old) that I have ben mentoring for almost 7 years, who is from Mexico and is now a citizen because he followed the requirements of the application. He has saved almost enough money for a down payment on a home, and is living the American dream, the right way.

The point that you have continued to dodge over and over is: what would have prevented either of your two work associates from being deported a week before they received their notification of citizenship, if that decision was made outside of our laws and due process, and because Trump needed some bodies to fill the ICE van in front of those TV cameras?

You’re telling us ‘if you just follow the rules…’, while also claiming that immigration judges aren’t needed and that we can and should deport anyone who has been following the rules, or issued TPS.

Where was I asked that? If the person from Dubai applied for a work visa while in Dubai. He has a degree in project management. He is not a citizen yet, he is in the second step. He had a sponsor, and a Job offer, and applied at the US embassy.

My young friend applied for, and received a green card and followed the rules. If either were here illegally, as in coming across the border without permission, they would have and should have been deported. They followed the rules, which Trump supports and has stated so many times.

I'll ask him how he got his green card, but it is basically the same process as my friend from Dubai, if one wants to receive a work visa the correct way.

I'll ask him tomorrow, if remember, how he applied for his work visa

Are you implying that you support people just coming over the border without following the laws?

I never said immigration judges aren't needed. I said we need to reform the process so judges can expedite deportation or even extended visas and citizenship. I said that it is currently a drain on the system and taxpayers.

[Kishkumen]

Are you implying that you support people just coming over the border without following the laws?

I never said immigration judges aren't needed. I said we need to reform the process so judges can expedite deportation or even extended visas and citizenship. I said that it is currently a drain on the system and taxpayers.

Here is what is not needed: goons in plain clothes wearing masks and driving unmarked vehicles who indiscriminately kidnap legal residents, people with visas, people with green cards, citizens, and toddlers. I bet we could save a lot of money if these people were fired. I say replace every incompetent plainclothes ICE goon breaking the law with a judge. Clean out the Trump administration from top to bottom of every incompetent person or grifter, and we would save beaucoup dinero.

[canpakes]

The point that you have continued to dodge over and over is: what would have prevented either of your two work associates from being deported a week before they received their notification of citizenship, if that decision was made outside of our laws and due process, and because Trump needed some bodies to fill the ICE van in front of those TV cameras?

You’re telling us ‘if you just follow the rules…’, while also claiming that immigration judges aren’t needed and that we can and should deport anyone who has been following the rules, or issued TPS.

Where was I asked that? If the person from Dubai applied for a work visa while in Dubai. He has a degree in project management. He is not a citizen yet, he is in the second step. He had a sponsor, and a Job offer, and applied at the US embassy.

My young friend applied for, and received a green card and followed the rules. If either were here illegally, as in coming across the border without permission, they would have and should have been deported. They followed the rules, which Trump supports and has stated so many times.

I'll ask him how he got his green card, but it is basically the same process as my friend from Dubai, if one wants to receive a work visa the correct way.

If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?

Do either of these two have a family here?

Does your Mexican associate have any tattoos? ; )

[Kishkumen]

If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?

Amazing that such a question even needs to be asked. The casual, callous inhumanity of Trumpism is staggering.

[canpakes]

If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - need to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?

Amazing that such a question even needs to be asked. The casual, callous inhumanity of Trumpism is staggering.

Case in point:

“Erlin Richards, a lawful U.S. resident since 1992, was detained by immigration officials on March 9 after returning from international travel and has remained in custody since, according to his lawyer, Michael Z. Goldman.

Richards, a 44-year-old green card holder who was born in Saint Vincent and has three U.S.-born children, was detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York last month, according to The New York Times. Like many recent detainees, he was returning from international vacation, having spent time in the Dominican Republic.

The reason for his detention was his 2006 conviction for marijuana possession. The conviction was in Texas, where marijuana is illegal for recreational use. Richards paid a fine for the conviction and never had to serve any jail time.”

https://www.newsweek.com/green-card-hol ... us-2058083

This fellow has a wife and three kids, is here legally, but has a minor drug use conviction from 19 years ago that was settled by the court at that time.

What is the point of this deportation? What is achieved? This is ‘Trump’s plan’ for illegal immigration and ‘bad hombres’?

Doesn’t seem like much of a ‘plan’. But I guess that this is what we have become, courtesy of the MAGA-induced hysteria over immigrants.

[Markk]

Where was I asked that? If the person from Dubai applied for a work visa while in Dubai. He has a degree in project management. He is not a citizen yet, he is in the second step. He had a sponsor, and a Job offer, and applied at the US embassy.

My young friend applied for, and received a green card and followed the rules. If either were here illegally, as in coming across the border without permission, they would have and should have been deported. They followed the rules, which Trump supports and has stated so many times.

I'll ask him how he got his green card, but it is basically the same process as my friend from Dubai, if one wants to receive a work visa the correct way.

If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?

Do either of these two have a family here?

Does your Mexican associate have any tattoos? ; )

That is just nonsense. What if Trump decides to do what Biden did and basically open up the border and let thousands more gang members and criminals come in and create havoc such as rape and murder of more innocent US citizens. Do you want to go back and forth on if and buts?

You ducked my point that there is a right way to become a citizen. A right way to apply for a green card and become a candidate to become a US citizen, it is a privilege. You said I ducked a question, that ironically I don't think I was ever asked, and then I answered your question with fact; that there is a correct way to apply for citizenship.

I'll add here, that paying a human trafficker to smuggle you over is not a correct way, no matter how much you imply it, and defend it.

This is a huge problem and decades old, and it is not Trump's fault it happened. There will be mistakes cakes, this is a huge task. Maybe we should start comparing the crimes and the costs that illegal immigration is costing us as a nation, against the deportation mistakes? Do you want to start keeping score? I'll start with the couple here in So CA. that burned to death by a twice deported illegal immigrant with a heavy criminal record that hit them on the 405 while drunk. Then I'll go on to Rachel Morin. Who do you have?

If “Erlin Richards" is being wrongly detained , then we need to correct that. On the other side what do we do about those that are roaming are streets and neighborhoods as gang members and criminals doing very criminal things?

Kish pasted a reasonable pathway to citizenship. Citizens of other countries can go to any US embassy and apply legally....shouldn't we be champions of that, and speak out against coming over illegally, supporting the human traffickers?

As far as tattoos you do understand that gang affiliation identification, and character, is heavily influenced by tattoos. It is why the are photographed and cataloged by law enforcement. Should law enforcement use his tattoos as an evidence that he just might be a neo nazi?

http://www.quailbellmagazine.com/the-re ... ong-island

[canpakes]

If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?

That is just nonsense.

Apparently not, given that the current Administration is ignoring due process and court rulings, and given that the White House deputy chief of staff for policy has just suggested that birthright citizenship needs to be eliminated.

But, I understand why you’re not keen on answering the question.

[canpakes]

Thank Gawd that Trump is saving us from all of the 4-year old citizen cancer patient gang members, right, Markk?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna203208

It might be interesting to ask your non-citizen workmates about their opinion on what they see happening.

[Markk]

That is just nonsense.

Apparently not, given that the current Administration is ignoring due process and court rulings, and given that the White House deputy chief of staff for policy has just suggested that birthright citizenship needs to be eliminated.

But, I understand why you’re not keen on answering the question.

What question didn't I answer? let me know and if I didn't I will certainly do so the best I can.

What I believe is being ignored by you and others here, are the criminal aspects that the open border policies have created, and the fact that this is not Trump's fault and he is the only President that has the nads to clean it up. Just saying due process is not a very good answer, given that these folks are getting there due for the very most part, according to our laws.

Like I wrote, there will be mistakes, it is expected, but none of these mistakes will equal the criminal impact, and costs of illegal immigration over the past decades. It just has not worked. Do you want to take a little time and look at the rape, the murders and crimes this has caused. Again for every mistake that is made I am confident I can find multiple examples of crimes by illegals, our prisons are full of examples.

In regard to judges, the Wisconsin in the news actually let a illegal immigrant that was accused of battery, with a criminal record, while the persons he beat were in court, into her office and let him run out a back exit to avoid ICE, putting citizens, law enforcement and the suspect into danger. Do you agree that this judge should be prosecuted?

Birth right citizenship has and is being taken advantage of. And it creates huge problems. If a gang member or some one that does qualify per Kish's post of the reasonable path to citizenship, per our laws... comes here illegally and has a child, does that mean we have to accept the person that broke the law to come here and continues in a criminal life, to live here or keep him in our prisons? It is sad, in that it is not the child's fault at all. Like I said it is a mess and Trump is the only one addressing it. The the Supreme Court needs to look at this again, it is not working, and it sends a message for folks to come here illegally and take advantage of our system.

You did not opine on our discussion about tattoos and gang affiliation. Do you believe that law enforcement should not "catalog" and use tattoos for gang affiliation ties? Another example do these tattoos suggest that these folks are members of Barrio 18? Is it wrong to use tattoos as admissible evidence in court if allowed by the judge?