Trump is not a fascist

[Markk]

Thank Gawd that Trump is saving us from all of the 4-year old citizen cancer patient gang members, right, Markk?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna203208

It might be interesting to ask your non-citizen workmates about their opinion on what they see happening.

The children had the right to stay here, the parents made the choice to take them with them, the children were not deported. Shall I now show you examples of illegal immigrants killing children like the recent one where a illegal soccer coach killed a player here in Southern California?

Again this a mess cakes, and it is not Trump's fault.

I currently don't have any non-citizens workers, that I am aware of, on my jobs. They are winding down, but I do have some green card holders. I will ask them.

Maybe you can ask victims of lost family members how they feel about allowing the mess to continue....again would you like to keep score or something?

https://nypost.com/2025/04/10/us-news/i ... t-anymore/

[Kishkumen]

Maybe you can ask victims of lost family members how they feel about allowing the mess to continue....again would yo like to keep score or something?

https://nypost.com/2025/04/10/us-news/i ... t-anymore/

If undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, why does it make sense to violate the Constitution to address the problem of crime committed by undocumented immigrants? Why not focus on prosecuting the crimes? Chasing every last green card holder, legal resident, and naturalized citizen because a small number of undocumented immigrants commit crimes is a dumb strategy.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01 ... -SD004.pdf

During this time, undocumented immigrants had the lowest offending rates overall for both total felony crime (see exhibit 1) and violent felony crime (see exhibit 2) compared to other groups. U.S.-born citizens had the highest offending rates overall for most crime types, with documented immigrants generally falling between the other two groups.

[canpakes]

Apparently not, given that the current Administration is ignoring due process and court rulings, and given that the White House deputy chief of staff for policy has just suggested that birthright citizenship needs to be eliminated.

But, I understand why you’re not keen on answering the question.

What question didn't I answer? let me know and if I didn't I will certainly do so the best I can.

The one referred to earlier:

“If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?”

by the way, have you been able to lay out Trump’s plan yet, other than ‘deport foreign-looking people regardless of due process or law, and only worry later if the blowback can’t be managed’?

I currently don't have any non-citizens workers, that I am aware of, on my jobs. They are winding down, but I do have some green card holders. I will ask them.

Oh, they’re there.

[Doctor Steuss]

Biden could have completed or at least put into motion two things you mentioned both the wall and the expansion of detention centers. A bill was not required.

I realize that Trump has made people forget this, but for Presidents that at least feign to respect the Constitution, Congress has the powers of the purse. Or are you suggesting that you wish Biden would have went spelunking for obscure hundred+ year old legislation to expand his Executive powers to bypass the legislative process and act more like a dictator than the head of one of the three branches of our government? Something tells me that you wouldn't have been a fan of that.

There is no way Biden could have done this, for several reasons apart from we are not even sure who was calling the shots in the White House.

The irony of this, on the tails of Trump's Time Magazine interview is so wonderfully fantastic.

But the progressive Democrats would never let that happen, or even the moderates in that he shut down the wall and there is no way they would allow the re-building of the wall by executive order. I think you would acknowledge that. The wall was added to the bill in order to take a talking point away from Trump running on re-building the wall. Again, Biden and the left opposed the wall, tore down the wall, and even sold materials for the wall, after the bill was turned down....enforces that.

You might be right. They do seem to be more 21st century aligned in using technology and manpower in lieu of something that is breached with impunity and is largely just an edifice outside of populated areas at this point.

In regard to the rest of the bill, what were some the negatives of the bill according to those that opposed it?

I imagine the conservatives that opposed it before they received marching orders did so because it didn't go far enough. The one key point that I have seen left leaning organizations oppose were the changes in judicial oversight. To lesser extents they also didn't like making getting asylum harder, and shutting the border down completely when thresholds were met.

[Markk]

If undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, why does it make sense to violate the Constitution to address the problem of crime committed by undocumented immigrants? Why not focus on prosecuting the crimes? Chasing every last green card holder, legal resident, and naturalized citizen because a small number of undocumented immigrants commit crimes is a dumb strategy.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01 ... -SD004.pdf

That is some logic....you don't care about illegal immigrants coming here and committing horrific crimes against citizens? So in your mind this justifies illegal immigrants committing crimes like murder and rape and we therefore should be okay with this? Not to mention in most cases those that are here illegally, are committing a crime by being here illegally, some 8-10 million. Why are you dismissing this? Do you think they have some sort of right to be here, and they are not breaking the law by coming here illegally? It is an oxymoron? Do you believe if someone comes here illegally they are not committing a crime according to our laws, and the plausible path to citizenship that you pasted?

And he did not violate the constitution, he is actually enforcing USC laws and evoked the AEA, on which the Supreme Court will render a decision sooner or later.

In one breath you are upset when an active shooter that is a citizen penetrates your bubble and murders folks, but when a illegal immigrant does it, x's who knows by how much more, you defend them. That's messed up Kish; you remind me of Colonel Nicholson.

[Markk]

Cakes: The one referred to earlier:

“If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?”

by the way, have you been able to lay out Trump’s plan yet, other than ‘deport foreign-looking people regardless of due process or law, and only worry later if the blowback can’t be managed’?

I answered your question. Is this what your argument has boiled down to, if's? What if he didn't, which he hasn't? What if OAC gets elected and opens the border to only gang members and they murder your family? I am not sure how you would expect someone to answer such a question.

But I did ask my friend today how he got his green card. His Uncle came here illegally, from Tecate, and got a job in a cabinet shop, who in turn sponsored him, and promised employment, and he got a green card, who in turn recommended his Nephew and his boss sponsored my friend and gave him a job and he applied for citizenship later and became a citizen.

[Kishkumen]

That is some logic....you don't care about illegal immigrants coming here and committing horrific crimes against citizens? So in your mind this justifies illegal immigrants committing crimes like murder and rape and we therefore should be okay with this? Not to mention in most cases those that are here illegally, are committing a crime by being here illegally, some 8-10 million. Why are you dismissing this? Do you think they have some sort of right to be here, and they are not breaking the law by coming here illegally? It is an oxymoron? Do you believe if someone comes here illegally they are not committing a crime according to our laws, and the plausible path to citizenship that you pasted?

And he did not violate the constitution, he is actually enforcing USC laws and evoked the AEA, on which the Supreme Court will render a decision sooner or later.

In one breath you are upset when an active shooter that is a citizen penetrates your bubble and murders folks, but when a illegal immigrant does it, x's who knows by how much more, you defend them. That's messed up Kish; you remind me of Colonel Nicholson.

Yeah, I am sure you’re really torn up and outraged.

The AEA, which you keep leaning on, is a wartime act. We are not in a war with Mexico or any other place in Central or South America. The level of undocumented immigrants is still pretty low (3.5%), and they commit crimes at a lower rate than either citizens or documented immigrants. Trump is using this fake crisis to expand presidential power. Full stop.

The real travesty in this thread is your apparent apathy about your own rights as a citizen. You do not see the dangerous presidential power grab he is engaging in to establish an authoritarian regime. Everyone cares about crime. If you want to live in a ruthless regime in order to have zero crime, move to China, dude.

[Markk]

That is some logic....you don't care about illegal immigrants coming here and committing horrific crimes against citizens? So in your mind this justifies illegal immigrants committing crimes like murder and rape and we therefore should be okay with this? Not to mention in most cases those that are here illegally, are committing a crime by being here illegally, some 8-10 million. Why are you dismissing this? Do you think they have some sort of right to be here, and they are not breaking the law by coming here illegally? It is an oxymoron? Do you believe if someone comes here illegally they are not committing a crime according to our laws, and the plausible path to citizenship that you pasted?

And he did not violate the constitution, he is actually enforcing USC laws and evoked the AEA, on which the Supreme Court will render a decision sooner or later.

In one breath you are upset when an active shooter that is a citizen penetrates your bubble and murders folks, but when a illegal immigrant does it, x's who knows by how much more, you defend them. That's messed up Kish; you remind me of Colonel Nicholson.

Yeah, I am sure you’re really torn up and outraged.

The AEA, which you keep leaning on, is a wartime act. We are not in a war with Mexico or any other place in Central or South America. The level of undocumented immigrants is still pretty low (3.5%), and they commit crimes at a lower rate than either citizens or documented immigrants. Trump is using this fake crisis to expand presidential power. Full stop.

The real travesty in this thread is your apparent apathy about your own rights as a citizen. You do not see the dangerous presidential power grab he is engaging in to establish an authoritarian regime. Everyone cares about crime. If you want to live in a ruthless regime in order to have zero crime, move to China, dude.

The AEA is not just a "war" time act, have you read it? I am not leaning on it, it is a president "right" and within his power to invoke it. It is Law, and approved by the fifth congress.

And yes there are over 3% of illegal undocumented aliens here. People who broke the USC to come here. And of those there are many criminals and gang members terrorizing our country. That is millions of people here illegally, again your logic is off here. Millions of unvented people coming over and exploiting our tax base and way of life, not to mention the crime that is inflicted on out country, and just the basic principle of picking up after themselves and the loss of pride of ownership in countless communities that no doubt you have not experienced.

Trying to turn it around that I don't care about the victims of citizens of those murdered, raped and other crimes is just a weak attempt to avoid your support for these folks committing these crimes, and accepting it as if we can't do anything about it.

After Trump leaves office the only persons that will be deported are those that are here illegally. He is not going to deport citizens. Again it is not his mess he is cleaning up, it is decades of power grabs by previous administrations for votes and cheap labor that created this mess that under Biden grew to epic proportions. You will just dwell on the mistakes that will be made, which percentage wise will be few.

Is it just a myth that Mexican Cartels are operating in the US, that foreign gangs aren't abundant and committing crimes and terrorizing neighborhoods.

What do you call it when a foreign countries criminal enterprises comes to the US to operate? What are your words for that?

How is it a fake crisis, please explain that one. Again I would really encourage you to take a tour of these communities that have been effected by this so-called fake crisis, my offer stands.

It is sad that you accept crime and deplore those that are trying to clean it up. I asked you before, do you live in a gated community and have a HOA to keep your investment healthy? My guess you do or at least in part.

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[canpakes]

“If the Trump Administration decides tomorrow that your associate from Dubai - or the other from Mexico - needs to be packed up in an ICE van, taken to the airport and flown out of the country to El Salvador, would it matter to you? Should it matter to anyone else?”

by the way, have you been able to lay out Trump’s plan yet, other than ‘deport foreign-looking people regardless of due process or law, and only worry later if the blowback can’t be managed’?

I answered your question.

No, you’ve sidestepped it. As well, you haven’t been able to provide details on ‘Trump’s plan’.

But I did ask my friend today how he got his green card. His Uncle came here illegally, from Tecate, and got a job in a cabinet shop, who in turn sponsored him, and promised employment, and he got a green card, who in turn recommended his Nephew and his boss sponsored my friend and gave him a job and he applied for citizenship later and became a citizen.

Sounds like the acquisition of documents via illegal means and deception. Looks like it’s time to deport them all, because even though they’ve likely been working and being productive for years, and paying taxes into the system, they may have tattoos and therefore are gang members. I really don’t see any difference between them and a lot of other folks being deported by the Trump Administration. The uncle, especially, came here illegally and didn’t apply for a green card while still in Mexico. You told me yourself how bad and lazy that is. “Are they not breaking the law by coming here illegally? Why don’t they just follow the system?”, right?.

Time for you to make a call to ICE, Markk. I hear there might even be a reward in it, for you.

[Kishkumen]

It is sad that you accept crime and deplore those that are trying to clean it up. I asked you before, do you live in a gated community and have a HOA to keep your investment healthy? My guess you do or at least in part.

The only sad thing here is the pathetic way you have thrown away your civil rights and embraced authoritarianism when better results could have been achieved lawfully. It is stupid, and it is harming everyone. Eff you for voting for an authoritarian thug. You are dead to me.

And no, I do not live in a gated community, you raging asshole.