DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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“DCP” wrote:It’s probably worth pointing out that June is, specifically, “Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month.” This is an appropriate time to raise awareness about the unique challenges men face when it comes to their mental health. And I want to do my part in this: Based on the evidence supplied in his posts about me over at the Peterson Obsession Board, including a very recent one, I suspect that Everybody’s WC — perhaps in company with his much more clever and more original muse, my Malevolent Stalker — might benefit by taking advantage of whatever mental health resources are being provided this month. It seems sadly apparent that neither the Stalker nor the shamelessly mendacious Mini-Stalker is already doing so, and special offers, even discounts, may be available. But probably only if they act without delay.
That’s a very telling response to the accusation of plagiarism, I think.
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drumdude wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:24 am
“DCP” wrote:It’s probably worth pointing out that June is, specifically, “Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month.” This is an appropriate time to raise awareness about the unique challenges men face when it comes to their mental health. And I want to do my part in this: Based on the evidence supplied in his posts about me over at the Peterson Obsession Board, including a very recent one, I suspect that Everybody’s WC — perhaps in company with his much more clever and more original muse, my Malevolent Stalker — might benefit by taking advantage of whatever mental health resources are being provided this month. It seems sadly apparent that neither the Stalker nor the shamelessly mendacious Mini-Stalker is already doing so, and special offers, even discounts, may be available. But probably only if they act without delay.
That’s a very telling response to the accusation of plagiarism, I think.
Just like clockwork, whenever the Afore’s plagiarisms are uncovered, this board and its members become the focus of his impotent rage. It’s quite amusing and just the type of behavior that one would expect from a purported follower of Christ and his teachings.

Afore, wouldn’t it be much easier for you to just stop plagiarizing? It’s certainly the ethical/honest/Christian course of action. Just remember, one little lie/plagiarism can taint an entire legacy.

Folks, you just can’t make this stuff up.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:56 am
drumdude wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:24 am
That’s a very telling response to the accusation of plagiarism, I think.
Just like clockwork, whenever the Afore’s plagiarisms are uncovered, this board and its members become the focus of his impotent rage. It’s quite amusing and just the type of behavior that one would expect from a purported follower of Christ and his teachings.

Afore, wouldn’t it be much easier for you to just stop plagiarizing? It’s certainly the ethical/honest/Christian course of action. Just remember, one little lie/plagiarism can taint an entire legacy.

Folks, you just can’t make this stuff up.
He posted that little diatribe just an hour after I posted my latest report of his plagiarism. You'll note he doesn't directly mention his plagiarism and offer an excuse, like he used to. I'm guessing it's because he knows no one, not even his most devout follower, is willing to continue to accept that he 'didn't realize' what he was doing, or that his plagiarism was 'inadvertent', or that plagiarism is okay when it's published on a blog, or that his 'notes' are only 'notes.'

One wonders what Grant Hardy himself would think about Peterson's intellectual theft of his work.
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Marcus wrote:
Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:31 pm
You'll notice that Peterson accidently left Hardy's footnote superscript "9" in his plagiarized part, even though he included the content of Hardy's footnote. He remembered to remove the superscript "8" however, but he put in the page number 73 which is from Hardy's footnote 7, not 8. These errors show his clear intent to plagiarize.

In the end this is a disgraceful plagiarism, yet another in a long list of Peterson's plagiarisms.
I’d argue that not cleaning up his copy/pastes also shows his laziness. Interestingly, whilst your link to his blog piece still works, if you access Sic et Non via Google and scroll through the articles, it appears to have been hidden.
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Maybe Professor Emeritus Daniel C. Peterson just needs a refresher:
As with all educational programs sponsored by Brigham Young University, students enrolled in BYU Independent Study courses are expected to demonstrate a high sense of personal honor, integrity, and courtesy in all coursework and examinations, as well as all interactions with students, teachers, and program staff.

Academic Dishonesty

Students must avoid every form of academic dishonesty and misconduct, including but not limited to plagiarism, fabrication or falsification, and cheating on examinations or assignments. Students commit themselves to academic work of integrity—that is, work that is their own, work that adheres to the scholarly and intellectual standards of accurate attribution of sources, and work that appropriately and accurately portrays research and data.

“Plagiarism” is a form of intellectual theft involving the unauthorized use or close imitation of the words, ideas, or data of another as one’s own without providing proper attribution to the author through quotation, reference, or footnote. Plagiarism may occur with respect to unpublished as well as published material. Copying another student’s work and submitting it as one’s own individual work without proper attribution is a serious form of plagiarism.
https://is.BYU.edu/support/students/policies/plagiarism
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drumdude wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:24 am
“DCP” wrote:It’s probably worth pointing out that June is, specifically, “Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month.” This is an appropriate time to raise awareness about the unique challenges men face when it comes to their mental health. And I want to do my part in this: Based on the evidence supplied in his posts about me over at the Peterson Obsession Board, including a very recent one, I suspect that Everybody’s WC — perhaps in company with his much more clever and more original muse, my Malevolent Stalker — might benefit by taking advantage of whatever mental health resources are being provided this month. It seems sadly apparent that neither the Stalker nor the shamelessly mendacious Mini-Stalker is already doing so, and special offers, even discounts, may be available. But probably only if they act without delay.
That’s a very telling response to the accusation of plagiarism, I think.
His post appears to breach Patheos terms of service…
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His changing of Everybody Wang Chung’s moniker is abusive, and misleading, and frequent - therefore it’s harassment. As is the suggestion that Everybody Wang Chung and members of this board are mentally ill.

Let’s hope he removes the offensive and harassing comment before someone reports it to Patheos…
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This is amazing to me. Is it possible the epistemology is so foreign to his tactics that it isn't perceived as plagiarism? Not that I am labeling anyone this but Narcissists do this kind of thing all the time and have no internal reflection that gets triggered to notice it. Could it be that years of apologetics have altered the ebb and flow of logical feedback loops? Jacob Hansen did something similar when he did a Book of Abraham video. He said it would be damning if a certain journal entry was in Joseph's handwriting. When Dan Vogel pointed out it was Joseph's handwriting he pulled his video took out that clip but kept the same conclusion. Or is it simply laziness?
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This seems pretty damning, Jacob. Let’s look closely!

https://youtu.be/3rkvrgGfkfQ
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Rivendale wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:37 am
This is amazing to me. Is it possible the epistemology is so foreign to his tactics that it isn't perceived as plagiarism? Not that I am labeling anyone this but Narcissists do this kind of thing all the time and have no internal reflection that gets triggered to notice it. Could it be that years of apologetics have altered the ebb and flow of logical feedback loops? Jacob Hansen did something similar when he did a Book of Abraham video. He said it would be damning if a certain journal entry was in Joseph's handwriting. When Dan Vogel pointed out it was Joseph's handwriting he pulled his video took out that clip but kept the same conclusion. Or is it simply laziness?
It's not laziness in the Jacob Hansen example. Jacob displayed pure confirmation bias, and lacked the intellectual honesty to admit his mistake. Is it any wonder he failed to convince any of his siblings to stay in the boat?
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Looking at the title of this thread, I am reminded of a joke that an exMormon told on this board in the context of a teenager having an interview with their bishop, and being asked what I gather are the usual highly intrusive questions.

For the purposes of this thread, the joke may be modified slightly so as to read:

Bishop: Do you have a problem with plagiarism?

DCP: Not all all, bishop. It works fine every time!
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