Biden needs to step aside

[Markk]

So, I'll try again, laughing at myself.

I read through your responses, here....I get he screwed up the debate, big time, we both agree on that. But why, mental decline? In context with the other thread about Fox and other outlets, even others around the world seeing his mental decline; like me conceding I screwed up in realizing I was posting to you and Gunnar, about different topics on the same post....can you concede that instead of Fox just getting lucky in their reporting, they saw something you missed about his being in mental decline?

You're kidding me, Markk. You didn't concede anything. What's more, my goal isn't to get you to concede anything. Prodding you, or anyone else, to concede is not really why I engage.

However, as this exchange demonstrates, your reluctance to read or research what you and others (or the plain facts) have actually said often makes it too much work to discuss things with you. That you repeatedly ignore it when a couple of people point out that you're talking gibberish is frustrating. That said, it's not the initial mistake, it's the doubling down, then doubling down again and again that's kind of your MO. That, along with your proclivity for deflection, goal post moving, and gish-galloping convinces me that I need to step away from engaging with you for a while.

Granted, this may not be anything to do with you. It may be my own impatience on display here. If that's the case, so be it.

Morley,

It is called an example. Not being able to admit one screwed up, or missed something is not healthy in my opinion. We all do it here.

It should not be too much work for you to just answer a very simple question. I am trying to stay on point with a conversation and follow it out to a logical end.

You said Biden should not have ran again, my asking you why, which is important to my points in the conversation, showing that Fox and other outlets along with myself, saw Biden's clear and growing mental decline, very early and all along.... and not just a stopped clock as you wrote.

I have offered more "research" on this topic that all of the others combined. I gave Fox news and world media asserting he was in decline. I have not seen anything from you or others that somehow support that Biden was not in sharp mental decline....if I missed it, point me to it.

Right of wrong, I believe during the debate you saw not only an old man bumbling and fumbling, but an old man in clear mental decline, and you for what ever reason can't bring yourself to admit what was unfolding before the world real time.

If you want to talk about motives and difficulties in talking with each other I can use my Art thread as an example. I purposely have not, nor will not bring politics or religion into that thread, yet, because of your animus toward my political views, and I guess your dislike for me.... it appears you just can't help yourself to bait me or throw darts. So it appears Morley, at least to some degree, it is about me.

[Morley]

There you go again with your “everybody does it” deflection.

You're kidding me, Markk. You didn't concede anything. What's more, my goal isn't to get you to concede anything. Prodding you, or anyone else, to concede is not really why I engage.

However, as this exchange demonstrates, your reluctance to read or research what you and others (or the plain facts) have actually said often makes it too much work to discuss things with you. That you repeatedly ignore it when a couple of people point out that you're talking gibberish is frustrating. That said, it's not the initial mistake, it's the doubling down, then doubling down again and again that's kind of your MO. That, along with your proclivity for deflection, goal post moving, and gish-galloping convinces me that I need to step away from engaging with you for a while.

Granted, this may not be anything to do with you. It may be my own impatience on display here. If that's the case, so be it.

Morley,

It is called an example. Not being able to admit one screwed up, or missed something is not healthy in my opinion. We all do it here.

It should not be too much work for you to just answer a very simple question. I am trying to stay on point with a conversation and follow it out to a logical end.

You said Biden should not have ran again, my asking you why, which is important to my points in the conversation, showing that Fox and other outlets along with myself, saw Biden's clear and growing mental decline, very early and all along.... and not just a stopped clock as you wrote.

I have offered more "research" on this topic that all of the others combined. I gave Fox news and world media asserting he was in decline. I have not seen anything from you or others that somehow support that Biden was not in sharp mental decline....if I missed it, point me to it.

Right of wrong, I believe during the debate you saw not only an old man bumbling and fumbling, but an old man in clear mental decline, and you for what ever reason can't bring yourself to admit what was unfolding before the world real time.

If you want to talk about motives and difficulties in talking with each other I can use my Art thread as an example. I purposely have not, nor will not bring politics or religion into that thread, yet, because of your animus toward my political views, and I guess your dislike for me.... it appears you just can't help yourself to bait me or throw darts. So it appears Morley, at least to some degree, it is about me.

I have no animus toward your political views. A casual reading of this board would show that I share some of them. I have no dislike of you. I think that you can, when you wish, be quite logical and engaging (and yes, the art thread is an example of this). I’ve answered you about my opinion on Biden. It’s all in this thread and others, where you can read my plain words. You seem to be unwilling to read or accept what I wrote.

I’ve said repeatedly that, no, I don’t think that Fox News got right. They maintained that Biden had dementia. I didn’t and don’t. That he was in decline and shouldn’t have run for a second term was pretty obvious, however. No, they didn’t see that before I did. Fox had (and has) so many conspiracy theories that their slot machine was bound to spit out a few coins, eventually.

[canpakes]

You said Biden should not have ran again, my asking you why, …

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. The idea that septuagenarians are always at the top of the candidate heap is one that needs to be challenged but difficult to change, as was seen with the contest between Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Gerry Connolly for the House Oversight Committee last December.

[Markk]

Morley,

It is called an example. Not being able to admit one screwed up, or missed something is not healthy in my opinion. We all do it here.

It should not be too much work for you to just answer a very simple question. I am trying to stay on point with a conversation and follow it out to a logical end.

You said Biden should not have ran again, my asking you why, which is important to my points in the conversation, showing that Fox and other outlets along with myself, saw Biden's clear and growing mental decline, very early and all along.... and not just a stopped clock as you wrote.

I have offered more "research" on this topic that all of the others combined. I gave Fox news and world media asserting he was in decline. I have not seen anything from you or others that somehow support that Biden was not in sharp mental decline....if I missed it, point me to it.

Right of wrong, I believe during the debate you saw not only an old man bumbling and fumbling, but an old man in clear mental decline, and you for what ever reason can't bring yourself to admit what was unfolding before the world real time.

If you want to talk about motives and difficulties in talking with each other I can use my Art thread as an example. I purposely have not, nor will not bring politics or religion into that thread, yet, because of your animus toward my political views, and I guess your dislike for me.... it appears you just can't help yourself to bait me or throw darts. So it appears Morley, at least to some degree, it is about me.

I have no animus toward your political views. A casual reading of this board would show that I share some of them. I have no dislike of you. I think that you can, when you wish, be quite logical and engaging (and yes, the art thread is an example of this). I’ve answered you about my opinion on Biden. It’s all in this thread and others, where you can read my plain words. You seem to be unwilling to read or accept what I wrote.

I’ve said repeatedly that, no, I don’t think that Fox News got right. They maintained that Biden had dementia. I didn’t and don’t. That he was in decline and shouldn’t have run for a second term was pretty obvious, however. No, they didn’t see that before I did. Fox had (and has) so many conspiracy theories that their slot machine was bound to spit out a few coins, eventually.

Do you watch, read or listen to Fox news? I read and watch CNN, CNBC, and even PBS.

I guess I will have to just accept that you believe he was in some sort of decline, but it was not dementia or cognitive mental decline.

I read every one of your comments in this thread, twice.

You wrote things like this:

There's no way that Biden can win after his performance in the debate. This was not a 'bad night' or a one-off performance. He didn't present himself as a qualified man who wasn't able to make the arguments he should have made, but instead revealed himself as lost, bumbling, and incompetent. His inner circle knows that this is not going to be the last time this happens before the election. What's the campaign's strategy for dealing with this? It's to give him as little exposure to the public as possible. It's only a matter of time before he does the same thing, again. And then again.

It seems to me it would be best to take the position he had/has dementia, and that you just missed it ala Jake Tapper and others, other than he is just an incompetent, lost, bumbling president, using your words.

At any rate in all your posts on this thread, you did not say why you wanted him to bail out of the race, other than he was basically incompetent and bumbling....and no reasons why he was so. Lol, you did say you would rather vote for a dirty dish rag than Trump, so maybe metaphorically, you did just that.

Morley, Biden had/has dementia, and Fox got it right. Tapper is covering his ass and is getting it right in hindsight. More and more left wingers are coming around and admitting it, This will go down in history as one of the biggest coverups, alongside Watergate, in presidential history. And I believe a huge abuse of powers withing the Executive office.

I will predict that the next Democrat leader, say a Stephen A. Smith type, center left, will need to admit it and put it behind the party in order to have any credibility. Dying on the Hill that Biden was not in mental decline will be a tough one to run against.

[Markk]

You said Biden should not have ran again, my asking you why, …

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that an newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. The idea that septuagenarians are always at the top of the candidate heap is one that needs to be challenged but difficult to change, as was seen with the contest between Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Gerry Connolly for the House Oversight Committee last December.

Well that's a new one on me about independents voting for Biden grooming younger leadership, ...CFR I would like to read that. Given independents are primarily moderate, who were these younger hopefuls, given the progressive nature of young Democrats that might be future candidates?

Apparently more independents, like myself, saw Biden as an old man in clear mental decline.

[canpakes]

Well that's a new one on me about independents voting for Biden grooming younger leadership, ...CFR I would like to read that. Given independents are primarily moderate, who were these younger hopefuls, given the progressive nature of young Democrats that might be future candidates?

Not so new. Biden said it in 2020.

Joe Biden Argues He’s ‘Bridge’ to Younger Leaders Harris, Booker
Jennifer Epstein
Mon, March 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM MDT

(Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden said Monday that he would be a bridge to a new generation, restoring the country’s values following Donald Trump’s presidency and then leaving the country to younger leaders.

“Look, I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else,” the former vice president said at a rally in Detroit where he was joined by three younger politicians who are all seen as contenders to be his running mate. California Senator Kamala Harris, New Jersey Senator Cory Booker as well as Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer have all endorsed Biden since his big wins on Super Tuesday.

“There’s an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this country,” he said.Biden, 77, has generally been reluctant to discuss his age, insisting that he’s in good health and able to handle the rigors of the campaign trail and the presidency. He’s the younger of the two major candidates for the Democratic nomination. Bernie Sanders is 78. But with three politicians in their 40s and 50s joining him on stage, Biden insisted that he wasn’t trying to eclipse them but to force out Trump and stabilize the country, setting the stage for a new generation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-biden-ar ... 46116.html

In a weird way, his eventual condition forced him to meet that promise. But it should have been the path to take at the start instead of shoehorning Harris in at the last moment.

[Markk]

Well that's a new one on me about independents voting for Biden grooming younger leadership, ...CFR I would like to read that. Given independents are primarily moderate, who were these younger hopefuls, given the progressive nature of young Democrats that might be future candidates?

Not so new. Biden said it in 2020.

Joe Biden Argues He’s ‘Bridge’ to Younger Leaders Harris, Booker
Jennifer Epstein
Mon, March 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM MDT

(Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden said Monday that he would be a bridge to a new generation, restoring the country’s values following Donald Trump’s presidency and then leaving the country to younger leaders.

“Look, I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else,” the former vice president said at a rally in Detroit where he was joined by three younger politicians who are all seen as contenders to be his running mate. California Senator Kamala Harris, New Jersey Senator Cory Booker as well as Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer have all endorsed Biden since his big wins on Super Tuesday.

“There’s an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this country,” he said.Biden, 77, has generally been reluctant to discuss his age, insisting that he’s in good health and able to handle the rigors of the campaign trail and the presidency. He’s the younger of the two major candidates for the Democratic nomination. Bernie Sanders is 78. But with three politicians in their 40s and 50s joining him on stage, Biden insisted that he wasn’t trying to eclipse them but to force out Trump and stabilize the country, setting the stage for a new generation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-biden-ar ... 46116.html

In a weird way, his eventual condition forced him to meet that promise. But it should have been the path to take at the start instead of shoehorning Harris in at the last moment.

That is Biden saying it?

You said Independents as seeing Biden as a mentor, and your link was from 2020, not about his running again?

[canpakes]

Not so new. Biden said it in 2020.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-biden-ar ... 46116.html

In a weird way, his eventual condition forced him to meet that promise. But it should have been the path to take at the start instead of shoehorning Harris in at the last moment.

That is Biden saying it?

You said Independents as seeing Biden as a mentor, and your link was from 2020, not about his running again?

Yes. That was 2020.

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. As Biden himself stated. But he ended up not yielding to new blood until it was too late.

[Markk]

That is Biden saying it?

You said Independents as seeing Biden as a mentor, and your link was from 2020, not about his running again?

Yes. That was 2020.

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. As Biden himself stated. But he ended up not yielding to new blood until it was too late.

CFR please, I would like to read about this story. And again we were talking about his running again, not what he thought in 2020.

It seems to me that independent voters, well, vote apart from party lines. Your saying independents use Biden as a place holder, and that he is grooming younger democratic hopefuls for the next run, would mean they are not exactly Independent voters, but democratic voters.

[Morley]

Do you watch, read or listen to Fox news? I read and watch CNN, CNBC, and even PBS.

Ha! Wow! Even PBS!

I don't watch any news; I read it widely. And yes, I read Fox News to see what they're saying. Why do you ask?

I guess I will have to just accept that you believe he was in some sort of decline, but it was not dementia or cognitive mental decline.

That's pretty condescending. You guess that you will just accept it? Why the hell wouldn't you accept it? This is the BS that makes trying to engage you frustrating.

You wrote things like this:

There's no way that Biden can win after his performance in the debate. This was not a 'bad night' or a one-off performance. He didn't present himself as a qualified man who wasn't able to make the arguments he should have made, but instead revealed himself as lost, bumbling, and incompetent. His inner circle knows that this is not going to be the last time this happens before the election. What's the campaign's strategy for dealing with this? It's to give him as little exposure to the public as possible. It's only a matter of time before he does the same thing, again. And then again.

At any rate in all your posts on this thread, you did not say why you wanted him to bail out of the race, other than he was basically incompetent and bumbling....and no reasons why he was so. Lol, you did say you would rather vote for a dirty dish rag than Trump, so maybe metaphorically, you did just that.

You want me to acknowledge something that's not true: that I secretly think Biden had dementia, and that I am not being honest about it. If I had thought Biden had dementia, I would have said so. I have nothing to gain by lying about this kind of stuff.

I said, “There’s no way that Biden can win after his performance in the debate.” From that, you can conclude that the reason I wanted Biden to bail is because, as I said, it seemed there was no way that he could win after his performance in the debate. My words and meaning are clear.

I'll grant that Biden might have appeared to be incapable, but I don’t think he actually was. We know, however, that appearances do matter, and though I thought he was thoroughly competent, I didn't think Biden was electable.

Though I'm an old guy, I still have episodes when a horrible childhood stutter returns with a vengeance. Years ago, I was going through a candidacy review for a degree I was seeking. (Anyone who has done this will tell you that this is one of the most stressful few hours they've ever spent.) I stammered haltingly all the way through the hours of probing and questioning. To an outside observer, my stuttering would have made it seem that I was hopelessly confused and lost. Thankfully, my committee knew better. They had patience with me, understood what I was saying, and were aware that appearances are not always reality, so I passed and went on to my candidacy. I wouldn't trust the American public to understand in the same way.