Biden needs to step aside

[canpakes]

Yes. That was 2020.

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. As Biden himself stated. But he ended up not yielding to new blood until it was too late.

CFR please, I would like to read about this story. And again we were talking about his running again, not what he thought in 2020.

It seems to me that independent voters, well, vote apart from party lines. Your saying independents use Biden as a place holder, and that he is grooming younger democratic hopefuls for the next run, would mean they are not exactly Independent voters, but democratic voters.

1. I have the link in my original post, and you included that same link in your response.

2. My statement was that plenty of folks saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. Yes, this was 2020, which then led to the 2024 dilemma, and yes - the folks that voted for Biden on this reasoning include ‘independent’ voters. As there is no such thing as an ‘independent’ party, those voters will choose either the D or R candidate for President. That doesn’t make them D or R party members.

[Markk]

1. I have the link in my original post, and you included that same link in your response.

The link you pasted, does not even have the word Independent in it?

2. My statement was that plenty of folks saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’

No it wasn't, it was that "Independent voters" saw Biden as a place holder. See you quote below. There is nothing about plenty of folks, if you said plenty of folks I would not have asked for cf.

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. As Biden himself stated. But he ended up not yielding to new blood until it was too late.

And, your link is just Biden saying so. It is a story about what he thinks, not a story about Independent voters placing Biden as a place holder as you asserted.

And, independent voters typically vote either or, and your assertion assumed that Independents somehow automatically vote democratic and would automatically use Biden as a place holder to groom the young potential candidates.

And, there is an American independent party, not to be confused with what I am, a registered Independent (NPP in CA). When I registered to vote in the late 70's, I registered as a Independent, I think it was Brown that changed the name for political reasons if I recall correctly.

And, my last "and", you brought this up with my asking a question to Morley why he thought President Biden should step down, are you saying he believes so because he was just a place holder? Or is that your reason why he should step down?

If that is all you got and the story you are going to stick to fine....

[Markk]

Morley:Ha! Wow! Even PBS!

I don't watch any news; I read it widely. And yes, I read Fox News to see what they're saying. Why do you ask?

PBS is hard to watch for me in that they are so blatantly left wing while claiming to be centered. Out of 60 plus editors in their main office....zero were conservative as of a few months ago, zero. That is just hard to believe and why they should not be government funded in my opinion.

Fox, CNN, CNBC mostly admit it is more opinion on most of their broadcasts.

I asked because we see it differently. I like to watch, read, and listen to all the media forums and cross check. Videos are important in that they can't be spun as easily. And if you noticed, I make it a point to hardly ever paste Fox in that I can make the same points typically using a source the lefts folks here might actually look at. I admit I have not had much luck.

[Morley]

Ha! Wow! Even PBS!

I don't watch any news; I read it widely. And yes, I read Fox News to see what they're saying. Why do you ask?

PBS is hard to watch for me in that they are so blatantly left wing while claiming to be centered. Out of 60 plus editors in their main office....zero were conservative as of a few months ago, zero. That is just hard to believe and why they should not be government funded in my opinion.

Fox, CNN, CNBC mostly admit it is more opinion on most of their broadcasts.

I asked because we see it differently. I like to watch, read, and listen to all the media forums and cross check. Videos are important in that they can't be spun as easily. And if you noticed, I make it a point to hardly ever paste Fox in that I can make the same points typically using a source the lefts folks here might actually look at. I admit I have not had much luck.

You’re misquoting again.

[Markk]

That's pretty condescending. You guess that you will just accept it? Why the hell wouldn't you accept it? This is the BS that makes trying to engage you frustrating.

It is not meant to be condescending at all. You said he shouldn't have ran and had very harsh words toward Biden. For me it is frustrating why you can't just say why you thought he was a bumbling, incompetent, lost, and not qualified candidate. You also wrote that his administration knew he was slipping. You said it was not just a bad night?

Fox news and other medias were saying the same exact things you said, but early on.....they said it was because of mental decline, you kind of agreed with that, then backed off....so given all that I think my question is very fair.

I wouldn't accept it, because I don't know what your answer is to accept. I am guessing at this point based on what you wrote.

[Markk]

PBS is hard to watch for me in that they are so blatantly left wing while claiming to be centered. Out of 60 plus editors in their main office....zero were conservative as of a few months ago, zero. That is just hard to believe and why they should not be government funded in my opinion.

Fox, CNN, CNBC mostly admit it is more opinion on most of their broadcasts.

I asked because we see it differently. I like to watch, read, and listen to all the media forums and cross check. Videos are important in that they can't be spun as easily. And if you noticed, I make it a point to hardly ever paste Fox in that I can make the same points typically using a source the lefts folks here might actually look at. I admit I have not had much luck.

You’re misquoting again.

Lol, it's hard to tell you guys apart and I am posting while building a deck. I'll edit it.

[canpakes]

1. I have the link in my original post, and you included that same link in your response.

The link you pasted, does not even have the word Independent in it?

Why would it? I’m speaking to the chatter at that time and how a lot of folks that I knew felt. Granted, that’s anecdote, but it still works given that this is what plenty of folks who are independent voters were wanting.

My statement was that plenty of folks saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’

No it wasn't, it was that "Independent voters" saw Biden as a place holder. See you quote below. There is nothing about plenty of folks, if you said plenty of folks I would not have asked for cf.

What I wrote above still applies. Independents are independents for a reason. Think about it. Then, consider how much of American politics seems to be reruns of the same dysfunctional candidates and politics. Bush begat Bush. Clinton begat Clinton. Obama begat Biden. Trump was sort of new, but had been dabbling in politics as a candidate or potential candidate for many years, and was a rerun 4 years after he got kicked out and threw his Capitol riot-inducing January 6 riot.

It’s a bit amazing that in a nation of more than 330 million people, we’ve basically been limited to 3 or 4 political ‘families’ for 4 decades.

A lot of independents saw Biden as a ‘placeholder’ President to avoid 4 more years of Trump chaos, and hoped that a newly elected Biden would actively begin to groom younger leadership with fresher ideas and strategies as soon as the election had concluded. As Biden himself stated. But he ended up not yielding to new blood until it was too late.

And, your link is just Biden saying so. It is a story about what he thinks, not a story about Independent voters placing Biden as a place holder as you asserted.

Sure. Biden said ‘x’ and plenty of folks saw that as a good alternative to Trump. I don’t think that too many folks voted for Biden believing that he would be the Party’s choice again in 2024, given a Biden’s statement. This also speaks to the distaste that Trump left in many voter’s mouth.

And, independent voters typically vote either or, and your assertion assumed that Independents somehow automatically vote democratic and would automatically use Biden as a place holder to groom the young potential candidates.

No, that’s you creating a straw man, again.

You do this so often that I’m worried about the fire danger, at this point.

And, there is an American independent party, not to be confused with what I am, a registered Independent (NPP in CA). When I registered to vote in the late 70's, I registered as an Independent, I think it was Brown that changed the name for political reasons if I recall correctly.

That’s nice.

And, my last "and", you brought this up with my asking a question to Morley why he thought President Biden should step down, are you saying he believes so because he was just a place holder? Or is that your reason why he should step down?

Neither. I’m talkative and expressing an opinion.

It could mean that I prefer onion rings with a burger instead of fries, too, but I can neither confirm or deny if that’s correct.

If that is all you got and the story you are going to stick to fine....

All good, then. It’s indeed fine.

[canpakes]

You’re misquoting again.

Lol, it's hard to tell you guys apart and I am posting while building a deck. I'll edit it.

Post deck pics. We’re going to critique your work.

[Markk]

Why would it? I’m speaking to the chatter at that time and how a lot of folks that I knew felt. Granted, that’s anecdote, but it still works given that this is what plenty of folks who are independent voters were wanting.

Lol...now it is chatter? If it was just anecdotal why didn't you just say so, instead of offering up a random link of what Biden thought?

I know and work with a lot of liberals and according to their chatter, I never heard that independent voters that are really plenty of folks viewed Biden as a platform for young voters in 2020.

Classic cakes, keep digging your hole.

What I wrote above still applies. Independents are independents for a reason. Think about it. Then, consider how much of American politics seems to be reruns of the same dysfunctional candidates and politics. Bush begat Bush. Clinton begat Clinton. Obama begat Biden. Trump was sort of new, but had been dabbling in politics as a candidate or potential candidate for many years, and was a rerun 4 years after he got kicked out and threw his Capitol riot-inducing January 6 riot.

I thought you said they were just folks that you knew?

Yes, Trump called it the Swamp. He took it down and it is circling the drain. Jeb, Romney, Pelosi, Schumer, Graham, Mitch... are all done. Bernie will be Bernie but he is just too old. Trump has built a new young base that the Right is excited about, lol less Musk and who is ever next on the chopping block. And the left is imploding and has no leader or plan, other that to call Trump names and use lawfare as much as they can.

No, that’s you creating a straw man, again.

You do this so often that I’m worried about the fire danger, at this point.

Lol, well, is it a myth then that these days Independent voters typically sway which way the election will go....is it lie while internal polls by each party watches the independent votes so closely and where to spend their millions to get the Independent vote? They just ignore the largest voting block in the country....sure cakes, those 52 million voters in 24 is just a straw man theory. And the Independent vote did not sink Hillary or Bush sr. going third party.

Neither. I’m talkative and expressing an opinion.

It could mean that I prefer onion rings with a burger instead of fries, too, but I can neither confirm or deny if that’s correct.

Okay, I will concede this was just a random anecdotal opinion of yours based on the chatter from friends.

[Markk]

Post deck pics. We’re going to critique your work.

It is an old deck I installed about 20 years ago on a shed I built in the back of my property. It rotted out and I am replacing it. The pink play house, I built about 3 or 4 years ago for my grand daughters.

It is hot today, hopefully I will have it demo'd today and reinstalled by next weekend for paint.