Art.....

[Markk]

So when you paint or sculpt....how much do you plan ahead before you start? Do you see the end, before you start?

In my wood working which I am far more proficient at, it is not even close, when I make a mistake I almost always know how to fix it or alter the piece in a better way in regard to the final outcome....do you find that the same in your art? Some of my coolest looks in my creative wood working come from a modified mistake.

Along this line of thought....

I noticed this is one of Bramblitt's pieces....check out the lady's nose. It does not fit, and I have no idea whether he knows it does not fit, but for me it works...Lol, I think.

Markk,

I think there is a wide range of approaches to preparing. One might be general strategy and direction letting the result take shape over time. A specific idea might start but need adjustment. Maybe the adjustment is a better idea than the start. There can be a life of its own in the process as you point out. On the other hand there are certainly artworks which started with a carefully worked complete plan and were completed according to plan.

Thanks....

I was pondering a bit more on this painting. He said in the short video I pasted that he sees colors in music....I believe he said actual notes. Then looking at this painting and seeing how the colors and image pattern behind the band is different than those behind the crowd; it made wonder if those colors and shapes are actual notes and a song....Jazz?

I also noticed the half bald guy in the center for the first time, ala Terry Bradshaw. I wonder if he planned his bald head, or just improvised it, not having a scene, or seen the vison to paint?

[canpakes]

I noticed this is one of Bramblitt's pieces....check out the lady's nose. It does not fit, and I have no idea whether he knows it does not fit, but for me it works...Lol, I think.

If you’re talking about the person looking like they’re also sporting a transparent magenta antenna … I don’t interpret that to be a nose. It looks to be part of the attire of the person in front (closer to the stage), or something else. The placement does help in seeing it as a weird nose, though. : D

[Morley]

So, it hurt when I told you that I wasn’t fond of Bramblitt? Or when I suggested I thought that he wasn’t good enough to get any recognition at all, if he weren’t blind?

Lol...No, it just showed how you think and were being condescending given the thread. You are gentle compared to other folks here Morley, and whether you believe it or not I respect you. If I got offended over things said about me here I would not have been posting here for what....20 years?
Lol, Schmo calls me cuss words I have never even heard before, and I have been in construction of about 50 years.

I wasn't being condescending. I was being honest about my preferences. Before that, I’d tried to stand back a bit because I didn’t want to interfere with the flow. But, as you've seen, sometimes I can’t keep my mouth shut or my fingers off the keyboard.

It's apparent that I misunderstood your reasons for starting the art thread. You may have seen it as a safe space to celebrate what each of us finds beautiful in art. I saw it as a place to write about and discuss our personal opinions on art. The two can be very different things.

Art's a funny thing. While no one can agree about what should be important in aesthetics and technique, everyone considers themselves to be something of a lay expert about aesthetics and technique. These manifest in a way they wouldn't about, say, bridge building or quadratic equations. This shouldn't be surprising, given that even those with formal expertise in art often can't agree on these things.

Art critics and practicing artists often silently cringe when someone outside of the field tells them what they should be doing or either celebrates or criticizes a certain style or subject. Statements like "I don't know art, but I know what I like" and "My five-year-old could do that" are two of the fan favorites that make most artists want to shake their heads and walk away.

Most people involved in art carry some pretty strong ideas about which artists and genres they consider to be significant and relevant. That's probably because, being informed by education, practice, and experience, the urge to opine can often be difficult to throttle. You probably have the same fervor about architecture and construction. If I began waxing enthusiastic about the utility and beauty of spit entries or aluminum wiring, you might express an opinion suggesting I was something of an idiot. But then again, maybe you wouldn't.

It's hilarious, because in this thread, I actually thought that I was being pretty generous and mild about some of the stuff I have strong negative feelings about. While I have nowhere the talent for being as reasonable and tactful as Huckelberry, I do make an effort.

[Gadianton]

You are gentle compared to other folks here Morley, and whether you believe it or not I respect you

Look how sensitive, incredible. Mr. feelings when it comes to himself. When comes to the horrors his politics inflict on others, it's "that's too bad, send them Guantanamo, they shouldn't be here."

He respects Morley because Morley is kind to him. That's a powerful insight. Yet, people will respect Trump because Trump rules with an iron fist and sends in three divisions of the military to quell an incident he himself manufactured. For some reason, when folks are kind and coddling to Markk, it fosters respect, but only the most heavy handed lessons from a dictator will teach people a lesson that he disagrees with.

(Personally, I don't respect people for either of those reasons)

Hitler was a decent artist. I'm sure he was very sensitive about his talents and felt hurt when it came to himself. When it came to others, not as much.

[Morley]

Adding to my assertion that all art is in some way political...



...the horror that is Rococo comes to live in the Oval Office. Is Trump trying to emulate Louis XIV?

I'd argue that Trump's art preferences mirror his politics.

[canpakes]

Adding to my assertion that all art is in some way political...



...the horror that is Rococo comes to live in the Oval Office. Is Trump trying to emulate Louis XIV?

I'd argue that Trump's art preferences mirror his politics.

Oooh, look. They’re examining a new small art installation entitled, ‘رشوة’.

[Chap]

Is Trump trying to emulate Louis XIV?

Well, since we know that his math is none too good, and his understanding of Roman numerals is probably not his best point, is there not a risk that he may mistakenly find that he has emulated number XVIII?

[Morley]

Adding to my assertion that all art is in some way political...



...the horror that is Rococo comes to live in the Oval Office. Is Trump trying to emulate Louis XIV?

I'd argue that Trump's art preferences mirror his politics.

Oooh, look. They’re examining a new small art installation entitled, ‘رشوة’.

Ha!

[Morley]

Is Trump trying to emulate Louis XIV?

Well, since we know that his math is none too good, and his understanding of Roman numerals is probably not his best point, is there not a risk that he may mistakenly find that he has emulated number XVIII?

I saw what you did there, Chap. You’re being coy about your generational suffixes. 14? 16? 18?

Since Louis XVI was guillotined, I can see why you chose to go with XVIII. Eighteen was a large fellow who did, for a time, also live in a palace he called The White House. So, there’s that in common, too.

[Dr. Shades]

Adding to my assertion that all art is in some way political...

In what way is a painting of a landscape political?