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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:12 pm
Tapir Rodeo wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:59 pm
I don't see why you think the number of books someone owns has anything to do with their status as a scholar.
That's not what I was really saying. I'm saying that with a person/scholar such as Kent Jackson, we know he is a scholar by the fact of his output in research and knowledge in his field. A video that shows part of his library behind him only lends credence to that fact. Same as when Philo, on this board, produces his videos (Backyard Professor) in his home with his library right behind him we have a pretty good indication that he is well read and an amateur scholar.

Here on this board, however, it is really hard to know who is and who isn't a scholar in the sense that Kent Jackson or the Backyard Professor is.

Some may come across as such, but it is still difficult to know the breadth and depth of any one poster's background. Kishkumen may be an exception. There may be one or two others...but it's difficult to know for sure.

My guess is that there are more than a few scholar 'wannabees' that post here. 😉

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MG
MG,

Is Kent Jackson a real scholar? Has Kent Jackson ever published a single article in a peer reviewed reputable academic journal? Here is his bibliography: https://rsc.BYU.edu/author/jackson-kent-p

It seems more than strange that over a 40 year career in academia, Kent has failed to publish even one article in an academic journal.

Kent Jackson is a real scholar in the same way Cookie Monster is a real monster.
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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:40 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:12 pm
That's not what I was really saying. I'm saying that with a person/scholar such as Kent Jackson, we know he is a scholar by the fact of his output in research and knowledge in his field. A video that shows part of his library behind him only lends credence to that fact. Same as when Philo, on this board, produces his videos (Backyard Professor) in his home with his library right behind him we have a pretty good indication that he is well read and an amateur scholar.

Here on this board, however, it is really hard to know who is and who isn't a scholar in the sense that Kent Jackson or the Backyard Professor is.

Some may come across as such, but it is still difficult to know the breadth and depth of any one poster's background. Kishkumen may be an exception. There may be one or two others...but it's difficult to know for sure.

My guess is that there are more than a few scholar 'wannabees' that post here. 😉

Regards,
MG
MG,

Is Kent Jackson a real scholar? Has Kent Jackson ever published a single article in a peer reviewed reputable academic journal? Here is his bibliography: https://rsc.BYU.edu/author/jackson-kent-p

It seems more than strange that over a 40 year career in academia, Kent has failed to publish even one article in an academic journal.

Kent Jackson is a real scholar in the same way Cookie Monster is a real monster.
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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:12 pm
Tapir Rodeo wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:59 pm
I don't see why you think the number of books someone owns has anything to do with their status as a scholar.
That's not what I was really saying. I'm saying that with a person/scholar such as Kent Jackson, we know he is a scholar by the fact of his output in research and knowledge in his field. A video that shows part of his library behind him only lends credence to that fact. Same as when Philo, on this board, produces his videos (Backyard Professor) in his home with his library right behind him we have a pretty good indication that he is well read and an amateur scholar.

Here on this board, however, it is really hard to know who is and who isn't a scholar in the sense that Kent Jackson or the Backyard Professor is.

Some may come across as such, but it is still difficult to know the breadth and depth of any one poster's background. Kishkumen may be an exception. There may be one or two others...but it's difficult to know for sure.

My guess is that there are more than a few scholar 'wannabees' that post here. 😉

Regards,
MG
That seemed like what you were saying when you tried to defend Boylan by asking people to take pictures of their bookshelves.

A well maintained bookshelf is a nice backdrop for a video. Then you have Bobby B who just throws his stuff on the floor and often looks like he hasn't showered for days and can barely keep both eyes open or speak clearly. This fits his branding where he tries to present as a disheveled genius who is just so busy reading that he can't bother to bathe. In reality, he is lazy. He wants the accolades, but he doesn't want to do the work.
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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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Tapir Rodeo wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:07 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:12 pm
That's not what I was really saying. I'm saying that with a person/scholar such as Kent Jackson, we know he is a scholar by the fact of his output in research and knowledge in his field. A video that shows part of his library behind him only lends credence to that fact. Same as when Philo, on this board, produces his videos (Backyard Professor) in his home with his library right behind him we have a pretty good indication that he is well read and an amateur scholar.

Here on this board, however, it is really hard to know who is and who isn't a scholar in the sense that Kent Jackson or the Backyard Professor is.

Some may come across as such, but it is still difficult to know the breadth and depth of any one poster's background. Kishkumen may be an exception. There may be one or two others...but it's difficult to know for sure.

My guess is that there are more than a few scholar 'wannabees' that post here. 😉

Regards,
MG
That seemed like what you were saying when you tried to defend Boylan by asking people to take pictures of their bookshelves.

A well maintained bookshelf is a nice backdrop for a video. Then you have Bobby B who just throws his stuff on the floor and often looks like he hasn't showered for days and can barely keep both eyes open or speak clearly. This fits his branding where he tries to present as a disheveled genius who is just so busy reading that he can't bother to bathe. In reality, he is lazy. He wants the accolades, but he doesn't want to do the work.
I was referring to Kent Jackson. I don't know anything about this Boylan fellow besides the glimpse I had of him as he started out the video where he was interviewing Brother Jackson and another glimpse at around the 55:00 mark where drumdude said everything kind of crapped out. Most of what was in between the beginning and the 55:00 minute part was Kent Jackson with his bookshelf in back of him.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:40 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:12 pm
That's not what I was really saying. I'm saying that with a person/scholar such as Kent Jackson, we know he is a scholar by the fact of his output in research and knowledge in his field. A video that shows part of his library behind him only lends credence to that fact. Same as when Philo, on this board, produces his videos (Backyard Professor) in his home with his library right behind him we have a pretty good indication that he is well read and an amateur scholar.

Here on this board, however, it is really hard to know who is and who isn't a scholar in the sense that Kent Jackson or the Backyard Professor is.

Some may come across as such, but it is still difficult to know the breadth and depth of any one poster's background. Kishkumen may be an exception. There may be one or two others...but it's difficult to know for sure.

My guess is that there are more than a few scholar 'wannabees' that post here. 😉

Regards,
MG
MG,

Is Kent Jackson a real scholar? Has Kent Jackson ever published a single article in a peer reviewed reputable academic journal? Here is his bibliography: https://rsc.BYU.edu/author/jackson-kent-p

It seems more than strange that over a 40 year career in academia, Kent has failed to publish even one article in an academic journal.

Kent Jackson is a real scholar in the same way Cookie Monster is a real monster.
The fact that mg thinks backdrops 'lend credence' and that standing in front of books is 'a pretty good indication' one is 'well read' is just laughable. We know very well that Philo is well read because of what he says and writes. Many people here are well known for their various skills and expertise. It's a knowledge based on participating in and reading the many, many discussions here. For mg to boil that down to backdrops lending credence and the idea that it's 'hard to know' about people here just shows his shallow level of participation. His intent is to disrupt, not participate.
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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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Marcus wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:29 pm
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:40 pm
MG,

Is Kent Jackson a real scholar? Has Kent Jackson ever published a single article in a peer reviewed reputable academic journal? Here is his bibliography: https://rsc.BYU.edu/author/jackson-kent-p

It seems more than strange that over a 40 year career in academia, Kent has failed to publish even one article in an academic journal.

Kent Jackson is a real scholar in the same way Cookie Monster is a real monster.
The fact that mg thinks backdrops 'lend credence' and that standing in front of books is 'a pretty good indication' one is 'well read' is just laughable. We know very well that Philo is well read because of what he says and writes. Many people here are well known for their various skills and expertise. It's a knowledge based on participating in and reading the many, many discussions here. For mg to boil that down to backdrops lending credence and the idea that it's 'hard to know' about people here just shows his shallow level of participation. His intent is to disrupt, not participate.
I don't know whether or not some individuals here would be classed in a similar category of scholarship as Boylan vs. Dan McClellan. Or Boylan vs. Kent Jackson.

Kishkumen being the exception. I've looked his credentials online and he seems to be the 'real deal'. Others I can't be so sure of.

Including you.

I don't know that Boylan has any boni-fide credentials. Maybe he does, I don't know. Same with you. Same with IHQ. Same with some others.

You said, "It's a knowledge based on participating in and reading the many, many discussions here."

OK. That's nice. Where to go with that...

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MG
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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:05 pm
Marcus wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:29 pm
The fact that mg thinks backdrops 'lend credence' and that standing in front of books is 'a pretty good indication' one is 'well read' is just laughable. We know very well that Philo is well read because of what he says and writes. Many people here are well known for their various skills and expertise. It's a knowledge based on participating in and reading the many, many discussions here. For mg to boil that down to backdrops lending credence and the idea that it's 'hard to know' about people here just shows his shallow level of participation. His intent is to disrupt, not participate.
I don't know whether or not some individuals here would be classed in a similar category of scholarship as Boylan vs. Dan McClellan. Or Boylan vs. Kent Jackson.

Kishkumen being the exception. I've looked his credentials online and he seems to be the 'real deal'. Others I can't be so sure of.

Including you.

I don't know that Boylan has any boni-fide credentials. Maybe he does, I don't know. Same with you. Same with IHQ. Same with some others.

You said, "It's a knowledge based on participating in and reading the many, many discussions here."

OK. That's nice. Where to go with that...

Regards,
MG
I don't know why figuring out who is a 'real scholar' would matter to you. You think that if you look at bookshelves and CVs, you can determine if someone is the 'real deal' or not. Philo is the real deal because you saw that he has 200 books. Dan McClellan and Kish are 'real deals' because you found their PhDs. Everyone else might be lying about the number of books they own or the number of degrees they have on their walls--so who knows how smart everyone else is?!

Let me clear it up for you. We have more than a half dozen genuine PhDs here. It's not difficult to figure out who they are, from hints provided here. Every one of those is something of a scholar--they had to be, at least at one time, to be awarded their degrees. We have a large handful of JDs. They're also not hard to pick out. I'd have a difficult time accepting that each of them is not, at least to some degree, also a scholar.

We have others, who may or may not be credentialed, who have earned the right to be called scholars through their endless reading and study. It's pretty transparent who these folks are, too. Some of them seriously knock me on my ass with how much they know. They're well-read, are usually careful in their arguments, and use words and concepts that you and I don't understand. You know who I'm talking about. We have more than our share of these.

In all, a hell of a lot of scholars.

I'll give you a rule of thumb. All of those people who you think are trying to fool you into thinking they're smart--they really are very smart. They're not trying to prove anything. And all those folks who you think are posing as scholars--they really are scholars.

We have a great board, here.
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Re: Ask Boylan Anything

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Morley wrote:
Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:27 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:05 pm
I don't know whether or not some individuals here would be classed in a similar category of scholarship as Boylan vs. Dan McClellan. Or Boylan vs. Kent Jackson.

Kishkumen being the exception. I've looked his credentials online and he seems to be the 'real deal'. Others I can't be so sure of.

Including you.

I don't know that Boylan has any boni-fide credentials. Maybe he does, I don't know. Same with you. Same with IHQ. Same with some others.

You said, "It's a knowledge based on participating in and reading the many, many discussions here."

OK. That's nice. Where to go with that...

Regards,
MG
I don't know why figuring out who is a 'real scholar' would matter to you. You think that if you look at bookshelves and CVs, you can determine if someone is the 'real deal' or not. Philo is the real deal because you saw that he has 200 books. Dan McClellan and Kish are 'real deals' because you found their PhDs. Everyone else might be lying about the number of books they own or the number of degrees they have on their walls--so who knows how smart everyone else is?!

Let me clear it up for you. We have more than a half dozen genuine PhDs here. It's not difficult to figure out who they are, from hints provided here. Every one of those is something of a scholar--they had to be, at least at one time, to be awarded their degrees. We have a large handful of JDs. They're also not hard to pick out. I'd have a difficult time accepting that each of them is not, at least to some degree, also a scholar.

We have others, who may or may not be credentialed, who have earned the right to be called scholars through their endless reading and study. It's pretty transparent who these folks are, too. Some of them seriously knock me on my ass with how much they know. They're well-read, are usually careful in their arguments, and use words and concepts that you and I don't understand. You know who I'm talking about. We have more than our share of these.

In all, a hell of a lot of scholars.

I'll give you a rule of thumb. All of those people who you think are trying to fool you into thinking they're smart--they really are very smart. They're not trying to prove anything. And all those folks who you think are posing as scholars--they really are scholars.

We have a great board, here.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
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MG 2.0 wrote:
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Through your link I am now aware of the following website:

https://www.youtube.com/@churchhistorym ... ast/videos

That looks like one to bookmark.
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I’m bumping this because MG has now ignored my question about his link AND the question Dr. Shades has asked in connection with the reprimand (yet another one) for breaching the board's link and run rule.

By all means don’t answer me MG, but ignoring the request of the board owner/moderator is just blatant rudeness and a flagrant disregard for the rules of the board. Yet again.
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The distinction between reading a lot of books, and publishing articles or books of one's own, is crucial in modern academia. A PhD isn't just a bigger and more advanced version of the previous degrees; it doesn't just certify that you have learned some particular curriculum. The key thing that you need to do to earn a PhD is to add something new to the total store of human knowledge. You have to discover something.

It's not necessarily a huge achievement. The thing you discover can be very small—and it usually is. It might take much less time and effort and intelligence to discover your tiny new thing than it would to absorb a large volume of difficult ideas that were previously known; the tiny discovery could still get you a PhD, but no amount of regurgitating previous knowledge will.

In fact it's practically impossible to discover anything new without also mastering a lot of previous knowledge, so PhD students generally do learn piles of old stuff. They tend to be academically talented people with high motivation, and by this point they've got a lot of experience in learning, so they often absorb and organise information at far higher rate than a typical undergraduate can. And since they've been doing that for a while, they probably do know quite a lot. Knowing stuff that other people already know still isn't the actual point. It's just a means to the end of finding out new things. And then when you've found something new, you publish it, so that other people can use it to go on to find more new things.

After managing that once for their final degree, academic professionals are expected to keep on finding new things, and publishing them. Professors aren't simply teachers, passing on the established knowledge to new students. Depending on where we are teaching, in fact, teaching may be only a relatively small part of our jobs. Averaged over the year, my wife and I reckon that only about 25% of our total work time goes to teaching. There's some administration to do, but the bulk of the workload is research.

It hasn't always been this way. The modern PhD degree, and the conception of universities as institutions for research, were only developed in the 19th century. The movement mainly got started in Germany, and then gradually spread. The Bachelor's and Master's degrees are medieval traditions that do not require any original discoveries, and the medieval conception of scholarship was just to master the existing stock of knowledge, not to add to it. The pre-modern thinkers who did find new things were exceptions. And it never used to be a requirement for professors to have PhDs.

In 1903 the famous Harvard psychologist William James (author of The Varieties of Religious Experience and brother of the novelist Henry James) wrote an essay decrying the new requirement for faculty PhDs as an octopus whose tentacles were strangling the academic world. C.S. Lewis was a long-time don and college fellow at Oxford, and ultimately a professor at Cambridge, but he never earned a PhD, and his lifetime production of academic scholarship, as opposed to apologetics and fiction, was modest by today's standards.

It's not completely clear why the world has settled on this 19th-century German idea that teaching and research should go together. In principle there could be some synergy, sure. Somebody who is personally working at the coalface of new knowledge may also be able to pass on to students a deeper understanding of previous knowledge than they would get from someone who was just passing on things that they had heard in their turn. On the other hand we don't expect primary and secondary school teachers to be doing original research: we expect them to be experts at the difficult job of teaching. Brilliant researchers are often terrible teachers. So maybe it doesn't really make sense to bundle the two things together the way we now do.

Maybe there are cynical, economic reasons for the research requirement. Higher education is an industry, and if an institution is merely passing on previous knowledge then it's hard to say how it does that better than anyone else, but it can stand out for research because by definition any successes in research are things that nobody else has done. So it may be that universities do research in the way that male peacocks grow big tail feathers, not in order to compete with each other at something important but just as a way to compete. On the other hand some universities make so much money from research grants that you have to ask why they bother with teaching anyone.

Perhaps the best reason why original research and thorough understanding of previous knowledge are expected to go together today is just that previous knowledge is not very good. The wisdom of today only seems impressive from a distance, when you don't understand it. To understand and appreciate it properly is to realise how lousy it is. If you don't feel that you can improve it, at least a little bit, somewhere, then you must not really understand it.

Anyway, it is somehow the standard now. Up until around a hundred years ago, you could totally count as a scholar just by reading a lot of old books, but nowadays the term just does not only mean that. You have to be finding something new, in old books or in an excavation or in the lab or wherever, and publishing it in a book or journal that has been judged by peers in the field to contain worthwhile new stuff.
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