Marcus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:46 pm
I Have Questions wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:46 pm
...Your talk about revelations being subject to the vagaries of life simply renders God impotent and unable to issue revelations that will have standing. On that basis, why bother?
But the actual problem is not you, it’s your Church. Your Church does not throw in the excuses that Revelations are unreliable…because people. No. Your Church says you can always trust the living Prophet. So when the living Prophet (in this case Taylor) reveals that God wants his Church to live the law of polygamy, always, that statement should be both trusted as correct, and stand the test of time. It did neither. There’s a host of such revelations that have been shown to be nothing of the sort. You know this, which is why you seek to relegate “Revelations” to “forecasts and suggestions”. The Church also knows this, which is why Presidents have stopped announcing “revelations”. The last time someone did that (Nelson), he had to do a U-Turn on it within weeks.
This is the saddest part. LDS people have to tie themselves in illogical, nonsensical knots to support their leaders in this area even when the evidence shows the leaders are wrong, or dishonest, or not trustworthy. It happens over and over and over. In no other aspect of their lives would people behave so illogically.
The hallmark of a divine revelation should be that, in time, it is shown to have provided insight that could not have been gleaned by humanity any other way at the time it was “revealed”. We can test the veracity of revelations in hindsight with real accuracy. Guess how that turns out for the credibility of Mormon Prophets?
When the revelation process is not real, it stands no chance of passing this test. The Mormon religious leaders have set themselves up for this failure repeatedly, but lately they seem to realize what people see.
For the most part, Mormon Prophets have been shown to be undeserving of the memberships trust. They have shown time and time and time again that what they call a “revelation” is nothing more than a guess, or forecast, something they personally feel good about. There also know that revelations are unreliable and more likely to be the whim of the individual, hence why they are happy to reverse their predecessors revelations. Nelson might be the only Prophet forced to reverse his own claimed revelation. The Church PR machine tried to downplay Nelson’s claim that it was a revelation. What does that tell you about the view the SLC mandarins have when a Prophet uses the “R” word for one of their utterances?
There isn’t a Mormon Prophet’s revelation that passes the test of being something that was from an all knowing God. Not one. The failure to accept Taylor’s revelation as real and binding is confirmation that Prophets don’t really believe in revelation. It’s a label they put on something when they don’t want an argument or a debate. And now they’ve stopped using it because it backfires. Every time.
This is how the Church defines “revelation”…
In its broad meaning, revelation is divine guidance or inspiration; it is the communication of truth and knowledge from God to His children on earth, suited to their language and understanding. It simply means to uncover something not yet known.
Can anyone think of a revelation from a modern Mormon Prophet that represented something not yet known, and that panned out to be accurate?
