Formal Mormon Theology

[MG 2.0]

Latter-day Saints are Christian. That is something that you are unqualified to determine.

Regards,
MG

We are not Christian. This is something MG is completely unqualified to determine.

Again, I will restate, Latter-day Saints are Christians. We also consider those not of our faith who strive to follow Jesus Christ and count themselves as disciples, Christian.

Those that do not believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and do not believe that he was resurrected from the dead, are not Christians.

I'm not sure what your meaning is behind the statement, "We are not Christian". Are you referring to yourself?

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

And that’s why Mormons aren’t Christians. Because Christian belief is that the Atonement covers everyone, unconditionally.

I also don't think of them as Christians because they specify that those not deeply enmeshed in the Mormon religion and only the Mormon religion (I.e. those not paying into the Mormon corporation) will NOT reunite with family or experience joy.

Nelson was pretty clear about this, and what he thinks is in store for non-LDS people in his 2019 gen conf talk as prophet of the LDS church. It's pretty sick:

...I also weep for such friends and relatives. They are wonderful men and women, devoted to their family and civic responsibilities. They give generously of their time, energy, and resources. And the world is better for their efforts. But they have chosen not to make covenants with God. They have not received the ordinances that will exalt them with their families and bind them together forever...

They need to understand that while there is a place for them hereafter—with wonderful men and women who also chose not to make covenants with God—that is not the place where families will be reunited and be given the privilege to live and progress forever. That is not the kingdom where they will experience the fulness of joy—of never-ending progression and happiness.

Those consummate blessings can come only by living in an exalted celestial realm with God, our Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ; and our wonderful, worthy, and qualified family members.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

Note that "worthy and qualified" first and foremost requires paying a lot of money for one's entire life to receive that designation. Unless of course, you reach the upper layers of this pyramid scheme. Then you no longer have to pay, instead you get to spend other people's tithing money on your personal worldly needs and pleasures, while you preach to everyone else about the necessity of continuing to give money, even before caring for children, paying bills, or saving for retirement.

That's the single most formalized "Mormon theology" in my opinion. You have to pay money in order to worship the Mormon god properly. That's not a christian way of life.

I agree. You cannot get into ‘Heaven’ (the CK) unless you’ve paid tithing. It’s one of the few questions in the temple recommend interview that doesn’t carry the get out of jail free clause “Do you strive to…”.

[MG 2.0]

You cannot get into ‘Heaven’ (the CK) unless you’ve paid tithing. It’s one of the few questions in the temple recommend interview that doesn’t carry the get out of jail free clause “Do you strive to…”.

If you believed in the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church would you pay tithing?

As a disbeliever in the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church and a non-tithe payer would you expect you might have a different view on things?

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

And that’s why Mormons aren’t Christians.

Latter-day Saints are Christian. That is something that you are unqualified to determine.

Regards,
MG

No. they aren’t. And to demonstrate I’ll ask a simple question. According to Mormon theology (see Marcus’s posts if you’re struggling to know what that is) can a Catholic, no matter how good a person, no matter how many good works they’ve done, now matter their Christlike attributes, gain entry into ‘Heaven’ (the CK) without taking out Mormon covenants?

There are two possible answers. But only one is consistent with Mormon theology. Which one is it MG?
A. Yes they can. Or
B. No they cannot.

[MG 2.0]

Latter-day Saints are Christian. That is something that you are unqualified to determine.

Regards,
MG

No. they aren’t. And to demonstrate I’ll ask a simple question. According to Mormon theology (see Marcus’s posts if you’re struggling to know what that is) can a Catholic, no matter how good a person, no matter how many good works they’ve done, now matter their Christlike attributes, gain entry into ‘Heaven’ (the CK) without taking out Mormon covenants?

There are two possible answers. But only one is consistent with Mormon theology. Which one is it MG?
A. Yes they can. Or
B. No they cannot.

LDS doctrine teaches that those who die "without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God". God will also judge all people on the basis of their works and the desires of their hearts. Catholics who are 'true to the faith' and believe/follow Christ according to the dictates of their own conscience will most likely accept a fullness of the gospel in the afterlife.

But, even then, as with everyone else, they will have their agency to accept or reject greater light, truth and knowledge. It's a spectrum of reward/progress. I believe that those in the Terrestrial Kingdom will have associations with those that they had associations with (loved) in this life if they choose. I don't see God as being the arbiter of that. Opportunities and 'progression tracks' will vary from kingdom to kingdom. Somewhat similar to what we see here.

God can force no man/woman to the highest heaven and live according to a fullness of God's law going into the eternities. It is an individual choice as the Apostle Paul taught. We work out our own salvation.

What you decide to do, IHQ, is up to you. What I decide to do, is up to me.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

No. they aren’t. And to demonstrate I’ll ask a simple question. According to Mormon theology (see Marcus’s posts if you’re struggling to know what that is) can a Catholic, no matter how good a person, no matter how many good works they’ve done, now matter their Christlike attributes, gain entry into ‘Heaven’ (the CK) without taking out Mormon covenants?

There are two possible answers. But only one is consistent with Mormon theology. Which one is it MG?
A. Yes they can. Or
B. No they cannot.

LDS doctrine teaches that those who die "without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God". God will also judge all people on the basis of their works and the desires of their hearts. Catholics who are 'true to the faith' and believe/follow Christ according to the dictates of their own conscience will most likely accept a fullness of the gospel in the afterlife.

But, even then, as with everyone else, they will have their agency to accept or reject greater light, truth and knowledge. It's a spectrum of reward/progress. I believe that those in the Terrestrial Kingdom will have associations with those that they had associations with (loved) in this life if they choose. I don't see God as being the arbiter of that. Opportunities and 'progression tracks' will vary from kingdom to kingdom. Somewhat similar to what we see here.

God can force no man/woman to the highest heaven and live according to a fullness of God's law going into the eternities. It is an individual choice as the Apostle Paul taught. We work out our own salvation.

What you decide to do, IHQ, is up to you. What I decide to do, is up to me.

Regards,
MG

That’s correct. It’s B. No non Mormon gets into heaven. So the entirety of Christianity, no matter how good they are, cannot get into heaven unless they become Mormon. That’s why Mormon’s are not part of Christianity.

[MG 2.0]

LDS doctrine teaches that those who die "without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God". God will also judge all people on the basis of their works and the desires of their hearts. Catholics who are 'true to the faith' and believe/follow Christ according to the dictates of their own conscience will most likely accept a fullness of the gospel in the afterlife.

But, even then, as with everyone else, they will have their agency to accept or reject greater light, truth and knowledge. It's a spectrum of reward/progress. I believe that those in the Terrestrial Kingdom will have associations with those that they had associations with (loved) in this life if they choose. I don't see God as being the arbiter of that. Opportunities and 'progression tracks' will vary from kingdom to kingdom. Somewhat similar to what we see here.

God can force no man/woman to the highest heaven and live according to a fullness of God's law going into the eternities. It is an individual choice as the Apostle Paul taught. We work out our own salvation.

What you decide to do, IHQ, is up to you. What I decide to do, is up to me.

Regards,
MG

That’s correct. It’s B. No non Mormon gets into heaven. So the entirety of Christianity, no matter how good they are, cannot get into heaven unless they become Mormon. That’s why Mormon’s are not part of Christianity.

I think I've covered your concern. Whether or not you can accept that is another matter.

Are you a Christian?

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

That’s correct. It’s B. No non Mormon gets into heaven. So the entirety of Christianity, no matter how good they are, cannot get into heaven unless they become Mormon. That’s why Mormon’s are not part of Christianity.

I think I've covered your concern. Whether or not you can accept that is another matter.

Are you a Christian?

Regards,
MG

I didn’t have a concern. I was simply getting you to explain why Mormon’s are separate from Christianity. Which you did. So thanks.

[MG 2.0]

I think I've covered your concern. Whether or not you can accept that is another matter.

Are you a Christian?

Regards,
MG

I didn’t have a concern. I was simply getting you to explain why Mormon’s are separate from Christianity. Which you did. So thanks.

Not separate in all respects.

But you're welcome nonetheless.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

I didn’t have a concern. I was simply getting you to explain why Mormon’s are separate from Christianity. Which you did. So thanks.

Not separate in all respects.

Separate in the key aspect of who gets to heaven. And who Jesus is. And how Salvation works. And how much money is required to get to heaven. And what the afterlife looks like. And…