Church previously denied a John Taylor revelation on polygamy now admits it

[Ego]

So I’ll ask you MG, if truth is that which corresponds to reality, why should I believe an alleged revelation in the Book of Mormon from a God who is passable, mutable, and unable to provide clear communication to mankind such that no evidence of this additional revelation exists? But rather nothing but contradiction of his prior revelation exists.

I once did two inquiries on Mormonism that would be of interest, the first was the correspondence theory of truth, that truth ought to be verifiable by it manifesting in multiple methods of inquiry so I thought I’d try to see if evidence from multiple routes such as the archaeology, philosophical inquiry, and feeling the spirit converged on an an underlying truth, despite the spirit having told me years ago of the truth of the Book of Mormon, the other lines of inquiry converged on it being mythology.
Make of that what you will, here I am, I can still ‘feel the spirit’ when reading it but I acknowledge it is myth. People are taught not to use sound methods of truth seeking but rather dogmatic ones and so can’t sit comfortably with this contradiction.

[Philo Sofee]

MG said: "The game clock was reset. I mean, what was a God to do?"

Astonishing! So the Almighty really couldn't think of anything better or a way out that he simply had to murder everyone except a very small number of them because, forsooth, he either didn't have the power, or didn't have the will, or didn't have the resources to make something work perhaps through the Holy Ghost?! So he murders them all instead?! OMG MG this is simply the most laughable defense I have ever seen for an Almighty deity. Of course, to a literalist there is not many options other than yours to produce... I get that.

And not a regular non violent murder. It has to be gruesome. Laban gets a myocardial infarction? No way baby, it's beheading for you! I don't have the stomach to do it so I will get some hack to do the hacking. A rebellious city? Incineration for you. God needs a reset?

Isn't it interesting that Mormonism teaches a murdered CANNOT go to the Celestial Kingdom, so God had to wait until he became God in order to become a mass murderer, and he retains His Celestial glory?! Oh for consistency.....

[Rivendale]

And not a regular non violent murder. It has to be gruesome. Laban gets a myocardial infarction? No way baby, it's beheading for you! I don't have the stomach to do it so I will get some hack to do the hacking. A rebellious city? Incineration for you. God needs a reset?

Isn't it interesting that Mormonism teaches a murdered CANNOT go to the Celestial Kingdom, so God had to wait until he became God in order to become a mass murderer, and he retains His Celestial glory?! Oh for consistency.....

This reminds me of Mr Deity from 18 years ago. [url] https://youtu.be/Qzf8q9QHfhI?si=HXAsZAQbbZN_tkfs/url] It is a conversation on what God will allow on Earth in terms of evil. It is only 3:00 minutes long. What is on his short list?

1. Holocaust...yes leave it in.
2. Torture...yes.
3. Down(s) sic...Syndrome....yes.
4. Natural disasters...this one could be left out but god fears people will find it too easy to believe in him so he leaves it in.

[MG 2.0]

[The LDS Church] is not another denomination of Christianity but an entire different religion.

It is different in some important and key respects, but similar in others.

You're right on that front.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

The game clock was reset. I mean, what was a God to do?



As always, thanks for your compliment.

Regards,
MG

MG said: "The game clock was reset. I mean, what was a God to do?"

Astonishing! So the Almighty really couldn't think of anything better or a way out that he simply had to murder everyone except a very small number of them because, forsooth, he either didn't have the power, or didn't have the will, or didn't have the resources to make something work perhaps through the Holy Ghost?! So he murders them all instead?! OMG MG this is simply the most laughable defense I have ever seen for an Almighty deity. Of course, to a literalist there is not many options other than yours to produce... I get that.

I think it was reset for a relatively small group of people. A people who were called to be a 'covenant people' to live a higher law but chose to go another direction counter to that higher law. All the stuff about all the animals going along with them, the giraffe, the penguin, etc.,...umm...I don't think so.

The Chinese dynasties were rolling right along. Yada, yada, yada.

Clocks can be reset for different games being played on different courts that are widely separated.

Regards,
MG

[Ego]

MG said: "The game clock was reset. I mean, what was a God to do?"

Astonishing! So the Almighty really couldn't think of anything better or a way out that he simply had to murder everyone except a very small number of them because, forsooth, he either didn't have the power, or didn't have the will, or didn't have the resources to make something work perhaps through the Holy Ghost?! So he murders them all instead?! OMG MG this is simply the most laughable defense I have ever seen for an Almighty deity. Of course, to a literalist there is not many options other than yours to produce... I get that.

I think it was reset for a relatively small group of people. A people who were called to be a 'covenant people' to live a higher law but chose to go another direction counter to that higher law. All the stuff about all the animals going along with them, the giraffe, the penguin, etc.,...umm...I don't think so.

The Chinese dynasties were rolling right along. Yada, yada, yada.

Clocks can be reset for different games being played on different courts that are widely separated.

Regards,
MG

The Mesopotamians? Last I read that’s where the Hebrews got their flood myths from.

[Ego]

Which may have came from real flooding from the glaciers melting, yes, so yes people died, but I’m not sure they were the Hebrew covenant people.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I think it was reset for a relatively small group of people. A people who were called to be a 'covenant people' to live a higher law but chose to go another direction counter to that higher law. All the stuff about all the animals going along with them, the giraffe, the penguin, etc.,...umm...I don't think so.

Unfortunately, MG appears to be completely ignorant that the church teaches, and has always taught, that the Flood was literal and global.

John Taylor:

"But the Bible does not tell us it was a tidal wave. It simply tells us that "all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered. Fifteen cubits upwards did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." That is, the earth was immersed. It was a period of baptism.” Journal of Discourses 26:74–75 (November 30, 1884).

Joseph F. Smith:

“The Flood was a baptism of the earth. Now a word as to the reason for the flood. It was the baptism of the earth, and that had to be by immersion. If the water did not cover the entire earth, then it was not baptized, for the baptism of the Lord is not pouring or sprinkling." Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 320

Bruce R. McConkie:

"The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. Noah was taken to the Old World by the Flood. This teaching was given by Joseph Smith and is still accepted as true doctrine. Given this teaching, Mormons have to accept the flood as a global phenomenon." Mormon Doctrine, chapter “Adam‑Ondi‑Ahman,” pp. 19–20

Harold B. Lee:

Furthermore, we are given to understand that all who live in mortality, if they would perfect their genealogical research, could trace their ancestry back to Adam and Eve, our first earthly parents in the Garden of Eden, through Noah and his family, who were the only living persons on the earth after the flood." Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee

There is a third group of people—those who accept the literal message of the Bible regarding Noah, the ark, and the Deluge. Latter-day Saints belong to this group. In spite of the world’s arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God’s prophets.

Ensign, The Flood, Donald Parry, January 1998,

[I Have Questions]

MG said: "The game clock was reset. I mean, what was a God to do?"

Astonishing! So the Almighty really couldn't think of anything better or a way out that he simply had to murder everyone except a very small number of them because, forsooth, he either didn't have the power, or didn't have the will, or didn't have the resources to make something work perhaps through the Holy Ghost?! So he murders them all instead?! OMG MG this is simply the most laughable defense I have ever seen for an Almighty deity. Of course, to a literalist there is not many options other than yours to produce... I get that.

I think it was reset for a relatively small group of people. A people who were called to be a 'covenant people' to live a higher law but chose to go another direction counter to that higher law. All the stuff about all the animals going along with them, the giraffe, the penguin, etc.,...umm...I don't think so.

The Chinese dynasties were rolling right along. Yada, yada, yada.

Clocks can be reset for different games being played on different courts that are widely separated.

Regards,
MG

That view certainly runs contrary to what the Church teaches about the flood (see Everybody Wang Chung’s post). It also runs contrary to the general narrative of building a boat to save a few people whilst the masses were drowned. If the flooding was localised, as you are suggesting, it fails to deliver its stated divine purpose.

Let me add this current reference

Noah lived at a time when people thought and did evil continually,4 and God called him to be a preacher of righteousness to that wicked generation. When the people rejected his message, God commanded Noah to build an ark, gather animals, and prepare for a flood. Noah and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives were the only people on the whole earth saved from the flood.

It’s unequivocal.

That view also opens the door to believing that all the other stories in The Bible, including those about Jesus, are similar tall tales, like the flood. And where does that then leave the notion of a Great Apostasy and therefore a Restoration?

The idea of a local flood is a straw that breaks the camel’s break. The whole house of cards falls down. Accepting one story as figurative/myth/lengend, is accepting that they all could be.

If you support the notion of a localised flood, then that’s you supporting something contrary to accepted Church doctrine. Which should bar you from holding a temple recommend (at least honestly). Here’s the relevant question “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” If you answer No to that, then you’re not telling the truth.

It’s seems true that members can believe anything they want, so long as they continue to pray, pay, and obey.

[malkie]

I think it was reset for a relatively small group of people. A people who were called to be a 'covenant people' to live a higher law but chose to go another direction counter to that higher law. All the stuff about all the animals going along with them, the giraffe, the penguin, etc.,...umm...I don't think so.

The Chinese dynasties were rolling right along. Yada, yada, yada.

Clocks can be reset for different games being played on different courts that are widely separated.

Regards,
MG

That view certainly runs contrary to what the Church teaches about the flood (see Everybody Wang Chung’s post). It also runs contrary to the general narrative of building a boat to save a few people whilst the masses were drowned. If the flooding was localised, as you are suggesting, it fails to deliver its stated divine purpose.

Let me add this current reference

Noah lived at a time when people thought and did evil continually,4 and God called him to be a preacher of righteousness to that wicked generation. When the people rejected his message, God commanded Noah to build an ark, gather animals, and prepare for a flood. Noah and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives were the only people on the whole earth saved from the flood.

It’s unequivocal.

That view also opens the door to believing that all the other stories in The Bible, including those about Jesus, are similar tall tales, like the flood. And where does that then leave the notion of a Great Apostasy and therefore a Restoration?

The idea of a local flood is a straw that breaks the camel’s break. The whole house of cards falls down. Accepting one story as figurative/myth/lengend, is accepting that they all could be.

If you support the notion of a localised flood, then that’s you supporting something contrary to accepted Church doctrine. Which should bar you from holding a temple recommend (at least honestly). Here’s the relevant question “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” If you answer No to that, then you’re not telling the truth.

It’s seems true that members can believe anything they want, so long as they continue to pray, pay, and obey.

Remember the Tower of Babel (I don't mean that literally - I don't think you're that old )

A non-literal ToB story kind of damages the entire Jaredite narrative, and thereby undermines whole sections of the Book of Mormon.

I mean, I'm OK with that, but I doubt that church leaders would be.