The artificial intelligence MEGATHREAD

[Limnor]

Anyway, in your case I don’t want to put myself out there as I did with Limnor and then find out that from the very beginning I wasn’t trusted. Good communication cannot take place under those circumstances. I would just as well communicate about the church, my place in it, and my beliefs with those that at the outset have a modicum of trust in me as a person. Some will SAY I lost that trust. I SAY that is part of their modus operandi to simply muddy the waters across the board.

I’d say you never earned it. I don’t usually begin discussions with trust already established. Trust tends to grow over time as people demonstrate honesty and consistency. That seems like a more realistic way for dialogue to develop.

[Limnor]

If you put some meta into it, MG is just acting in line with his stated philosophy. Namely that God cannot be God without relationships. MG just wants to control the terms of the relationship through the ignore list while allowing you your agency.

Excellent analysis - I'd never have thought of that!

Not to put too personal a touch on it, but I actually have some compassion for MG as he navigates his personal issues. He has to allow agency in situations that he may not think are appropriate.

But yeah I think it’s an interesting demonstration of MG as a “god in training.”

[I Have Questions]

Excellent analysis - I'd never have thought of that!

Not to put too personal a touch on it, but I actually have some compassion for MG as he navigates his personal issues. He has to allow agency in situations that he may not think are appropriate.

But yeah I think it’s an interesting demonstration of MG as a “god in training.”

I think it’s deeper. He doesn’t have the standing in real life and in his home that he thinks he deserves. So he comes here to try and make himself feel “dominant”. His declining cognitive abilities (which is why he wants to rely so heavily on AI) only exacerbate his frustration in being unable to get the other males on the board to treat him like the general authority he feels he should be. He’s a very sad case underneath it all.

[Limnor]

Not to put too personal a touch on it, but I actually have some compassion for MG as he navigates his personal issues. He has to allow agency in situations that he may not think are appropriate.

But yeah I think it’s an interesting demonstration of MG as a “god in training.”

I think it’s deeper. He doesn’t have the standing in real life and in his home that he thinks he deserves. So he comes here to try and make himself feel “dominant”. His declining cognitive abilities (which is why he wants to rely so heavily on AI) only exacerbate his frustration in being unable to get the other males on the board to treat him like the general authority he feels he should be. He’s a very sad case underneath it all.

What makes it worse from my perspective is the term “I feel sorry for you” used in the temple ceremony predicts that people will feel pity for adherents, so that sympathy seems to have been weaponized as confirmation of belief. How could Joseph know that people would pity adherents?

[Gadianton]

MG, just curious what brought about your change in perspective from 20 years ago. I also see things differently today than I did twenty years ago, and so I'm not faulting you for changing your mind about something, I'm just curious why you see it differently now.

Although, I must say, I think that the one and only true God would be the one that a Primary child could understand and worship in their childlike way.

Gadiantion would never make it in Primary

Thanks to Marcus we've got this quote:

The PP's, Scratch's, Bond's, Shades of this board have issues because they have not been able to move beyond a primary/seminary outlook towards the world and the church. They will say they have, but I honestly don't believe this to be the case. They are black/white thinkers...if you can call it thinking... They are very simplistic and naïve in their outlook towards what and who God is and how he may or may not operate in the universe. If he doesn't conform to their image, then he doesn't exist...

To find out that Mormonism was not simply what they larned in primary/seminary and reading the New Era or Ensign threw them for a loop from which they never were able to extricate themselves and recover

Although technically you didn't mention me in 2007, I'd like to understand what appears to be a drastic change in perspective.

[MG 2.0]

I am amused as I observe the lengths that some people go to to take others down. Again, unfortunately, by some on this thread recently. That's all I'll say on that.

Gadianton, are your attributions mixed up on the dates?

One way or the other, yes, I said both and I don't see a contradiction. Seemingly, at least to me, God would reveal Himself so that a child can know/worship Him in simplicity and truth. My point is that as we mature and 'grow up' we either keep that childlike faith and live life in harmony with the Gospel of Jesus Christ or we stray away for one reason or another.

One of those reasons, for some, is that they see all the various forms of God worship and/or the things that have been done in God's name, etc., and they lose that childlike faith. I think, as I've said before, that it is quite possible to move beyond a simple "Primary Faith" to a more complex faith. In my opinion, however, when that faith evolves into a gradual lack of faith at all in a creator God, we have moved "beyond the mark".

At a certain level, I would maintain, we ought to be able to sit in sharing time at Primary and sing the songs and "believe".

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Patriarchalists don’t need to be consistent. They only really believe in hierarchy. Anything can be said or manufactured as a convenience to maintain their system of power and control over others and their belief in the system.

Literally nothing can shake their faith in this system because it gives them identity and purpose- and perhaps power, real or imagined. That’s the only true thing they’ll ever defend, even to their own detriment.

Nothing is relevant outside of that system. They’ll do or say anything at any time to defend this system. That’s that. MG would suffer a mental collapse if he were capable of walking away. But he’s not, and like a dog returning to its vomit, a patriarchalist will return to his power fantasy and act out. It’s inevitable.

[Limnor]

I am amused as I observe the lengths that some people go to to take others down.

We didn’t just stumble into this. And you’re right, a lot went into this operation. We called it Operation MENTAL REGARDS. There were early morning syncs, carefully timed posts, and objectives Marcus coordinated down to the minute. She ensured each post was complimentary to the other, determined facts and assumptions, and demanded precision. Full credit to Marcus; none of this happens without her genius. I’m just glad to have played a small role in the execution.

[Marcus]

I am amused as I observe the lengths that some people go to to take others down.

We didn’t just stumble into this. And you’re right, a lot went into this operation. We called it Operation MENTAL REGARDS. There were early morning syncs, carefully timed posts, and objectives Marcus coordinated down to the minute. She ensured each post was complimentary to the other, determined facts and assumptions, and demanded precision. Full credit to Marcus; none of this happens without her genius. I’m just glad to have played a small role in the execution.

"MENTAL REGARDS."
You're killing me!!!!

Well done.

[malkie]

Perhaps you might ask permission if you didn't understand that the ignore function is one way?

After a long period of time I’ve decided that my preference is to ‘channel in’ or talk with those people who are not so focused on ad hominem and/or personal insults as the primary modus operandi. I realize that we all fail at times to be understanding and show grace towards others. When it becomes the norm with some individuals, however, I’m not as into that. It simply devolves into a slug fest. I’ve been subject to failure at times in showing empathy and grace to others.

I’ve been consciously trying to move away from that for a while now even though it’s not too difficult to get sucked into the ‘drama’ that some individuals seem eager to create by throwing out words and insults that aren’t true. Being the minority population of ‘one’ adds to the dilemma I often find myself in. Fight fire with fire or back off. That’s why I began with the TTOC response.

Anyway, in your case I don’t want to put myself out there as I did with Limnor and then find out that from the very beginning I wasn’t trusted. Good communication cannot take place under those circumstances. I would just as well communicate about the church, my place in it, and my beliefs with those that at the outset have a modicum of trust in me as a person. Some will SAY I lost that trust. I SAY that is part of their modus operandi to simply muddy the waters across the board.

THAT is why, in your case, I’m asking whether you are open to honest dialogue without a hidden agenda. Sharing ideas. Disagreeing but not being disagreeable. Truthfully? Up to this point I’ve trusted that you might be someone that can have an honest discussion in the same way two people might do if they were sharing a meal together.

There are some folks here that I would be fairly confident would embarrass themselves and me if we were at lunch. No more food fights for me.

Regards,
MG

- "in your case I don’t want to put myself out there as I did with Limnor ..." - I'm puzzled: have you and I not been interacting in some way on this board for 15 years or more? Or am I pretty new here, no history, no track record?
- in any case I don't accept your implied characterization of my fellow poster and friend, Limnor.

The decision is completely yours to put me on ignore or not. I'm unlikely to change how I post here, and I expect the same is true of you. I’m OK with straightforward discussion if/when it happens. My suggestion is that we each continue to engage or not as we see fit.

Please do not read anything into this answer that is not there in a plain reading of the words.