Trump Bombed Iranian Nuclear Site Fordo Today. Are We in WW 3?

[Gadianton]

As a follow-up, SPCX goes live in just a few minutes. Yes, Peace was called in order give Elon the best day possible although he should have waited until after market to do so.

But it's unrealistic to believe that there will be no more strikes and the war is over from here on out just to defer to Elon. Time to open a margin account?

Every review I've read except for one says this IPO is basically a scam, which it is. And I'm thinking, with all the bad news about it, even from right-leaning outlets, who is realistically going to be the exit liquidity?

Well, just earlier this morning I just learned that the biggest fan of the administration there ever was has a buy order it at market open for wow -- it's a huge number.

[ajax18]

The cease fire was definitely a mistake. You can't negotiate with Iran. Trump needs to seize Karg Island and obliterate the entire Iranian coast of any of their weaponry. They don't care about their people. They only care about holding onto power. Economic sanctions are useless. Lastly, we need to kill every member of the regime one by one. Anything less will not improve the situation.

[Chap]

Lastly, we need to kill every member of the regime one by one. Anything less will not improve the situation.

Clearly that is not your favourite Commander-in-Chief's intention. But let's consider that idea all the same.

Two questions:

1. Roughly how many people constitute 'the regime' A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand?

2. Since searching them all out and killing them all will clearly be a fairly long term boots on the ground operation, which will be bitterly resisted by pretty well all members of the Revolutionary Guards - both full and part time (and these are Shias, who LOVE martyrdom, remember?) - how many US soldiers with boots on the ground in Iran will it take to do the job, and what level of US casualties are you willing to accept?

More importantly, it would be great to have your comments on the fact that your favourite Commander-in-Chief's aim in negotiation currently seems to be:

1. Cease-fire.
2. Straits of Hormuz open to all traffic.
3. Iran negotiating about their nuclear program.

But, umm .... have you noticed that this is pretty well where we were before Trump tore up the Obama agreement? Actually, as you will recall, the Obama agreement had a non time limited clause (torn up with all the others) in which Iran undertook never to try to have nuclear weapons. So actually we shall be worse off after Trump's war than we were before.

So what has Trump achieved by all the lives lost and all the money spent on his Special Military Operation?

[canpakes]

So what has Trump achieved by all the lives lost and all the money spent on his Special Military Operation?

Well, his friends and family have made out like bandits off of insider trading in the markets.

The other question to ask is, “what has the average citizen gained from Trump’s Iran war-fueled cash grab”?

Inflation and higher gas & food prices.

There are some interesting ethical and moral implications behind causing billions of people across the globe to pay more for their basic food and transportation needs, so that one narcissist and his tight circle of associates can pad their pockets with more cash that they didn’t need.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The cease fire was definitely a mistake. You can't negotiate with Iran. Trump needs to seize Karg Island and obliterate the entire Iranian coast of any of their weaponry. They don't care about their people. They only care about holding onto power. Economic sanctions are useless. Lastly, we need to kill every member of the regime one by one. Anything less will not improve the situation.

[Chap]

Just seen on my usual newspaper's website:

7h ago: In a Truth Social post, Trump said Iran “no longer want a Nuclear Weapon, nor will they have one, either through purchase, development, or any other form of procurement”.

Wow! Iran promises not to develop or obtain nuclear weapons! What a great achievement for President Trump - in a just world he certainly will deserve the Nobel Peace Prize if a deal like that is signed!!!


Oh, wait ... wasn't there a post on this thread a while back that had some relevance to this topic? Why, so there was:

11 years ago, Obama and John Kerry triumphantly negotiated a signed agreement with Iran in which they promised to never develop nuclear weapons.

Yup. See the whole text of the JCPOA (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, Vienna, 14 July 2015) here:

https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/o ... 245317.pdf

The 'Preamble' begins on the third page. The first five articles are

PREAMBLE AND GENERAL PROVISIONS

i The Islamic Republic of Iran and the E3/EU+3 (China, France, Germany, theRussian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States, with the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy)have decided upon this long-term Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). This JCPOA, reflecting a step-by-step approach, includes the reciprocal
commitments as laid down in this document and the annexes hereto and is to be endorsed by the United Nations (UN) Security Council.

ii The full implementation of this JCPOA will ensure the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear programme.

iii Iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.

iv Successful implementation of this JCPOA will enable Iran to fully enjoy its right to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes under the relevant articles of the nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in line with its obligations therein, and the Iranian nuclear programme will be treated in the same manner as that of any other non-nuclear-weapon state party to the NPT.

v. This JCPOA will produce the comprehensive lifting of all UN Security Council sanctions as well as multilateral and national sanctions related to Iran’s nuclear programme, including steps on access in areas of trade, technology, finance and energy.

Note the bolded text. So the agreement that Trump ripped up as 'the worst deal ever made' included a promise from Iran to never 'seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.'

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So if (and only if) the Iranians do sign a deal with those terms in it we shall, as regards nuclear weapons, be exactly where we were after the 2015 Obama deal that Trump ripped up and called "the worst deal ever". Except that since then we have had a war that has been ruinous in terms of cost (billions of dollars), loss of human life, destruction of economic and social infrastructure, and worst of all the loss of any respect for the US as a trustworthy actor on the international stage.

All that just to get back where we were in 2015.

Am I wrong Ajax? Ceeboo? Any Trump supporter out there reading this?

[huckelberry]

Well there is the thrill of being able to kill people. It seems most people do not like having to do it themselves but some people enjoy seeing it done from a safe distance. Ajax seems to be hoping to be able to have thousands of more people killed.

[Chap]

And now President Trump has announced that the Strait of Hormuz is open.

The way he put it was "I hereby fully authorize the toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz". As if was him, and not the Iranians, who closed it.

But as we know, it was previously open to all international traffic, toll free, and had been for years, right up to when Trump and Netanyahu decided to start a war with Iran. So we have gained what, exactly?

[Gadianton]

Well there is the thrill of being able to kill people. It seems most people do not like having to do it themselves but some people enjoy seeing it done from a safe distance. Ajax seems to be hoping to be able to have thousands of more people killed.

Indeed. Ajax who has never served nor strikes me as having the constitution for battle (unlike several others who post here) is quite happy to send American troops to war for various expansion-related goals like confiscating Iran's oil. We've already spent 1 year of Iran's oil and gas GDP just on strikes and twiddling thumbs thinking about doing something.

Megyn Kelley recently complained about the war saying her sons were getting to draft age and she doesn't want to send them off to Iran for some pointless war. According to Ajax the war isn't pointless but he's not able to articulate why that is the case so far. I think he has kids, perhaps even within draft range at this point, and I presume for family home evening he preaches the glory of military service.

What better sacrifice can a person make than to die for oil to benefit the political inner circle? (even if confiscating all of Iran's oil production and letting all Iranian citizens die could be profitable, the spoils of war can't be used to benefit the average American because that would be socialism)

[Limnor]

I don’t want a war with Iran. Having served, I’ve seen enough to know that war carries costs that are easy to ignore when you’re not the one bearing them.

In fact, I wouldn’t encourage anyone to join the military in this environment.