When Steph Curry shoots 42% from behind the arc, that is not failure.
When a bullet-proof vest stops only 42% of the bullets, that is a failure.
A vaccine that is only 42% effective and does not prevent transmission and produces harsh variants - FAIL!
That ‘fail’ is your argument.
Vaccines don’t ‘produce’ harsh variants, and they still lessen your chances of a severe reaction or death, if you contract an infection.
With your reasoning, I’m sure that you eschew seatbelt use, too, given that seatbelts ‘don’t stop other cars from hitting you’, and you can still become injured in an accident. But you, apparently, prefer to fly through the windshield.
If a bulletproof vest is 42% effective deflecting bullets entirely, leaving no injury, 90% effective at preventing serious injury, and 100% effective at preventing death, then the vest is a success.
Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
If a bulletproof vest is 42% effective deflecting bullets entirely, leaving no injury, 90% effective at preventing serious injury, and 100% effective at preventing death, then the vest is a success.
The Delta variant emerged in India in December of 2020.
Yeah, it's the massive, selective pressure near-universal vaccination of India late 2020 induced upon the virus.
Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
When Steph Curry shoots 42% from behind the arc, that is not failure.
When a bullet-proof vest stops only 42% of the bullets, that is a failure.
A vaccine that is only 42% effective and does not prevent transmission and produces harsh variants - FAIL!
You don't understand how evolution works at all. The vaccine does not produce harsh variants. Replication of the virus produces harsh variants. The more often it is replicated, the greater is the likelihood that some of those replicants will be harsh and vaccine resistant. Vaccines, even if less than 100% effective, reduce both the total number of replications and the probability that some harsh replicants will still occur, despite the vaccine, as well as the number of people who get sick enough to shed more yet more viruses, including the harsh variants that still occur. Though the total number of people getting sick is still significantly reduced, obviously a greater proportion those who do still get sick will be victims of the surviving harsh, vaccine resistant variants. This does not in any way support the conclusion that the vaccine itself produced the harsh variants. Vaccines reduce the number of total viruses, including the harsh variants.
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No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
When Steph Curry shoots 42% from behind the arc, that is not failure.
When a bullet-proof vest stops only 42% of the bullets, that is a failure.
A vaccine that is only 42% effective and does not prevent transmission and produces harsh variants - FAIL!
That ‘fail’ is your argument.
Vaccines don’t ‘produce’ harsh variants, and they still lessen your chances of a severe reaction or death, if you contract an infection.
With your reasoning, I’m sure that you eschew seatbelt use, too, given that seatbelts ‘don’t stop other cars from hitting you’, and you can still become injured in an accident. But you, apparently, prefer to fly through the windshield.
It's also important to understand what "effective" means. If a COVID-19 is 42% effective, it does not mean that 58% of people who get vaccinated get infected with COVID. It means that whatever risk you had before you were vaccinated, being vaccinated reduces that risk of becoming infected. I'll take that vaccine any day. I don't know where Cultellus gets his 42% though. Does he cite a source or show his math?
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
A bullet proof vest is actually bullet resistant. This means that it will prevent the vest being penetrated by certain types and sizes of bullets travelling up to certain speeds. Even if a vest is strong enough to stop the bullet penetrating, the wearer may still suffer injury.
Looks like ‘bullet proof vests’ aren’t something you’d use, either. You know, because they aren’t bullet proof.
Thanks. I read the abstract, and skimmed the rest. The range of the 95% confidence intervals strikes me as pretty darn wide. Given that the rate of testing and the nature of the people who get tested in any given month could be confounding factors, I'm not sure how meaningful a month by month comparison is. Like any study, the limitations section is as important as the conclusions, and the authors recognize some pretty significant ones.
It needs to be peer reviewed so that more knowledgable folks than me can evaluate the methodology and the math. But cherry picking the lowest reported number and claiming that it represents overall vaccine effectiveness is anti-vaxxer stupid.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
How effective will this be in September and October?
It looks like it is threatening to take the same disastrous turn (in most of the red states, that is, especially Florida, Texas, etc.) that resulted from Trump's incredibly inept mismanagement of the pandemic, and for much the same reasons. One notable exception is Vermont, whose governor is apparently the only Republican governor who is really taking the pandemic seriously and doing an excellent job of handling it.
How Vermont kept its coronavirus rate low
Vermont’s governor was quick to shut down when the virus began surging in neighboring New York, closing schools in mid-March and issuing a stay-at-home order a week later. But the approach to helping people keep their distance and then reopen was much more nuanced — and involved everyone from the state and municipal governments to nonprofit workers and volunteer community groups.
In early March, there was the decision by the state to subsidize motel rooms to alleviate crowding in homeless shelters, said Sarah Phillips, director of the state’s Office of Economic Opportunity and the leader of Vermont’s Covid-19 homelessness response team. While the program built on an existing motel voucher system the state had in place, “what we’re doing now is far beyond what we’d normally provide for emergency housing and is entirely due to the need to provide non-congregate shelters” in the pandemic, she said.
MONTPELIER, Vt. (WCAX) - Vermont remains a national leader in COVID vaccinations. State leaders say that’s protecting us as the delta variant continues to spread in other states.
Some 82.8% of Vermonters-- 455,000-- people have at least one shot.
We added more than 2,400 new vaccines this past week.
This is continuing to keep our coronavirus cases low even as the variant is driving infections elsewhere.
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
