Free Will

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_PrickKicker
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Re: Free Will

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Sub are you a spin Dr, a politician, an antagonist or Pinocchio?
or all of the above? :rolleyes:

Forum Member:-So Subgenius if you are so smart tell us where Kolob is?

Subgenius:- Uhmm?, well, uh, I don't know where it’s not.

Forum Member:- So which is it? Are you telling us, you do or don't know where God lives?

Subgenius:- It wouldn't be inaccurate to assume that I couldn't exactly not say where he is or isn't to say that would almost partially be incorrect.

Forum Member:- So you don't know where he is?

Subgenius:- On the contrary. I'm possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that in no way with any amount of uncertainty that I undeniably do or do not know where he shouldn't probably be, if that indeed wasn't where he isn’t.

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PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
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Re: Free Will

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Themis wrote:Incorrect as usual. I have asked him a more specific question. One that appears to have you scared :razz: .

not so much scared as amused...but now moving towards bored.
But i do love the theater on occasion:

curtain
*enter Themis stage right


1. Themis - "Love is an emotion that has very good evolutionary explanations"
2. Mktavish - "Please do list how love has evolved."
*crickets*
3. Themis - "????????? Are you saying homo sapiens did not evolve?"
4. Mktavish - "With respect to love ... No"
5. Themis - "So animals cannot evolve in regards to emotions?"

* voice of Subby off stage left - "hey Themis your question on line 5 is redundant given lines 3 and 4!"
*exit Mktavish


6. Themis - "Love is one emotion"
7. Themis - "Love is an emotion, and I am trying to get him to answer questions in regard to it and evolution" (see also lines 3 and 4 above)
8. Themis - "You say you believe Man has evolved, would assuming that means man has evolved from lower forms of life at least from single cell organisms correct?" (Themis, grins wryly as his trap is set, spotlight on trap with no bait....nor prey).
8. Themis (proclaims to audience) - "I have asked him a more specific question" (see lines 3,5, and 8)
*crickets*
fade to black

curtain

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_Themis
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Re: Free Will

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I see subby still wants to play the idiot. Since I am discussing it with Mktavish, and subby doesn't get what is going on, I can wait for Mktavish to get back and continue with a real discussion. It's to bad subby that you cannot be more honest in this regard.
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Re: Free Will

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Themis wrote:I see subby still wants to play the idiot. Since I am discussing it with Mktavish, and subby doesn't get what is going on, I can wait for Mktavish to get back and continue with a real discussion. It's to bad subby that you cannot be more honest in this regard.


that explains the circular

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Re: Free Will

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Themis wrote:I see subby still wants to play the idiot. Since I am discussing it with Mktavish, and subby doesn't get what is going on, I can wait for Mktavish to get back and continue with a real discussion. It's to bad subby that you cannot be more honest in this regard.


I don't think he's playing...
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Re: Free Will

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Drifting wrote:
I don't think he's playing...


Not with a full deck. :biggrin:
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Re: Free Will

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Mktavish wrote:

With respect to love ... No


You can correct me if I get your position wrong, but I assume you mean that humans have evolved from lower forms of life including single cell organisms, but that love is not something that has evolved since the emergence of modern man. I don't disagree with this, but my only point is that since we evolved from organisms that do not have the capacity to feel or experience the emotion of love that somewhere along the evolutionary tree we did evolve this capacity.
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Re: Free Will

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Re: Free Will

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Mktavish wrote:
you have no evidence to prove they don't or didn't feel love.


For say a single cell organism, I would say we have some, but not in any absolute way.

Plus ... If love is the ultimate emotion ... why would it evolve?


This seems to be where some of the problem lies. First you cannot show that it is some ultimate emotion, and second I am not talking about love evolving, but the ability to feel or experience the emotion of love.
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Re: Free Will

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