You could in an alternate universe in which John kept this alive for a decade. In this universe, Rosebud was begging John for sex in August of 2012 and threatening him with a bogus accusation of sexual harassment in October of 2012. That is why we don’t think much of your arguments thus far.jpatterson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:26 amThis post is a microcosm of why this thread persists.
Because your takeaway after all these pages is that it's all about Rosebud being a victim/liar and nothing about John Dehlin being a victim/liar. You could make the very same argument above about John Dehlin, and yet you don't. I continue to wonder why that is.
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Again, you're basing the above on a selective examination of everything that has happened.Kishkumen wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:24 amYou could in an alternate universe in which John kept this alive for a decade. In this universe, Rosebud was begging John for sex in August of 2012 and threatening him with a bogus accusation of sexual harassment in October of 2012. That is why we don’t think much of your arguments thus far.jpatterson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:26 amThis post is a microcosm of why this thread persists.
Because your takeaway after all these pages is that it's all about Rosebud being a victim/liar and nothing about John Dehlin being a victim/liar. You could make the very same argument above about John Dehlin, and yet you don't. I continue to wonder why that is.
John has done several things to keep this alive for a decade, many of which I have pointed out that you simply choose not to see.
It still remains the case that Rosebud did/said nothing publicly about this affair in the last six months until John conspired with consig on his ML episode. So how is it that you continue to place all the burden on Rosebud for keeping the story alive and none on JD?
My argument is that you're not nearly as unbiased about this as you think you are.
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What’s pathetic is your shuckin’ and jiving’ act regarding your role as Rosebud’s water boy. Now that you have undermined your own credibility yet again by telling us you were only typing from faulty memory what was misleadingly presented as a careful transcription of information from Rosebud, you have yet again demonstrated why you aren’t making much headway in persuading anyone. All you seem to be accomplishing is to spin out this BS further and bask in your own self-righteous ooze.jpatterson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:48 amYour problem continues to be that you make a lot of assumptions (admittedly, this is the pot calling the kettle black). I typed that entire post out by hand and wrote it from Rosebud's perspective based on information I had, not Rosebud's own words.
You've been barking up this tree since Page 3. It's pathetic.
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In this universe, JD was begging Rosebud to be in a relationship with him in 2011, then some time in early 2012 told her that if things got messy, her employment would be in jeopardy.
This is why I don't think much of your arguments thus far.
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I thought you were a guy who is all about the evidence? What evidence do you have that I was copying and pasting exactly what Rosebud wanted me to communicate to this board?
This is your own conjecture, part of your fantasy world in which there is some grand conspiracy that I am somehow the lynchpin of. It would be sad if it wasn't so hilarious to me.
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LOL! Are you brain damaged? Seriously! I suppose Rosebud had nothing to do with Kate Kelly trotting out her accusations again on that Kwaku talk show. Which definitely did not lead to Kwaku’s Dateline wannabe Stone Phillips bit on what a bad guy Dehlin is.jpatterson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:27 amAgain, you're basing the above on a selective examination of everything that has happened.
John has done several things to keep this alive for a decade, many of which I have pointed out that you simply choose not to see.
It still remains the case that Rosebud did/said nothing publicly about this affair in the last six months until John conspired with consig on his ML episode. So how is it that you continue to place all the burden on Rosebud for keeping the story alive and none on John Dehlin?
My argument is that you're not nearly as unbiased about this as you think you are.
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Evidence? Or is that not your job?
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Yep, you are in your own little universe! You have omitted some of the facts you had earlier on this thread been drooling over like some psychic vampire, which is my growing preference for the most apt metaphor for your behavior in all of this.jpatterson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:36 amIn this universe, John Dehlin was begging Rosebud to be in a relationship with him in 2011, then some time in early 2012 told her that if things got messy, her employment would be in jeopardy.
This is why I don't think much of your arguments thus far.
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What happened? Did Rosebud retroactively remove her consent from Kate Kelly? Or did Kelly revictimize her without consent? You are now denying that Kate Kelly had Rosebud’s consent?
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That's the point. By omitting facts in your earlier post, you constructed a narrative that suits your liking. It's really easy to do.Kishkumen wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:42 amYep, you are in your own little universe! You have omitted some of the facts you had earlier on this thread been drooling overjpatterson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:36 amIn this universe, John Dehlin was begging Rosebud to be in a relationship with him in 2011, then some time in early 2012 told her that if things got messy, her employment would be in jeopardy.
This is why I don't think much of your arguments thus far.