Senior free labour provider dies whilst mowing a church lawn

[Limnor]

I don’t know how to prove to you that I am not any of the recurring socks here. I can’t pronounce shibboleth correctly either.

[Marcus]

You said you lurked a long time at the exmormon subreddit but you also said you didn't know anything about a topic that was discussed there repeatedly. And for an investigator you have a far more in depth knowledge about Shulem's topics than most people here. Not to mention that your investigator status only came up very recently, years after your first post. Do you also confuse The Netherlands with Norway?

I’ve never lurked at the exmormon subreddit. Nor do I speak Norsk or Dutch.

I’m not who you think I am. I was here years ago under a different name - “Abinadi”s Fire” and have been fascinated with Mormonism since around 2000 when a co-worker gave me the quote from James about “upbraided.”

I was confused that someone so seemingly reasonable could believe some of the truth claims of Mormonism. I didn’t really challenge him, mostly because we worked together and I didn’t want to make it weird. The missionaries did show up at my door several days later though.

So I went online to learn. One poster challenged me with the question “from where did the book come from? I wasted maybe 15 years trying to find an answer.

I think Paul O, Vogel, and Metcalfe are really close with the idea that Joseph wrote himself into the book. I just happen to think that there are more real people reflected in the book than just Joseph.

Anyway, that’s my backstory.

'Abinidi's Fire' --- that must be the 'A.F.' Everybody Wang Chung was referring to.

...I was confused that someone so seemingly reasonable could believe some of the truth claims of Mormonism...

That I believe!

[Limnor]

Yes I guess so - the A.F. reference. I missed that ref. - good eye Everybody Wang Chung. That was over a decade ago.

I came back once as Alma Bound or something. When I leave for a while I typically delete the account and say never again. I saved Limnor for some reason, not sure why. I think Paul was arguing for something and I didn’t want to fight about it.

[Gadianton]

I confess I am not “Sledge” if that was the belief lol

I keep forgetting about this; it was my bad, Limnor. You registered right after Sledge quit posting under his latest moniker, having just been exposed. Your first couple of posts were consistent with Sledge returning right away as yet another maybe-believer, but with snark dialed back, to avoid getting found out immediately. However, a few posts later I realized this was unlikely the case, but I forgot to say something about it.

I probably have one of the higher views of Sledge on this forum, he's weird but not a bad guy, he just thinks everybody is stupid but him and so puts no effort into thinking through the backstories of his sock puppets or about the kinds of things he tends to bring into discussion that are unique to him.

A late "welcome to the forum", Limnor.

[Limnor]

I confess I am not “Sledge” if that was the belief lol

I keep forgetting about this; it was my bad, Limnor. You registered right after Sledge quit posting under his latest moniker, having just been exposed. Your first couple of posts were consistent with Sledge returning right away as yet another maybe-believer, but with snark dialed back, to avoid getting found out immediately. However, a few posts later I realized this was unlikely the case, but I forgot to say something about it.

I probably have one of the higher views of Sledge on this forum, he's weird but not a bad guy, he just thinks everybody is stupid but him and so puts no effort into thinking through the backstories of his sock puppets or about the kinds of things he tends to bring into discussion that are unique to him.

A late "welcome to the forum", Limnor.

Thank you Gad! Your writing is one of the reasons I keep coming back, so this means a lot to me.

[Limnor]

Gad - this is my backstory:

By way of intro, my name is Curtis. Husband of over 38 years, father to three mid-30s “children,” and grandfather of five adorable grandchildren.

Retired Naval Officer of 24 years, mostly intelligence, including a heavy dose of targeting intelligence and analytical responsibilities.

Currently working for the Department of Defense (Department of War now, but that’s going to be hard to get used to).

Two and a half years from second retirement (woot!).

The Limnor name is dumb but it reflects my understanding of characters in the Book of Mormon.

Any mod could doxx me now because I used my home email address, and consequently check my LinkedIn page to verify all of this. I’m just losing interest in all of the anonymity.

[Res Ipsa]

No, you ugly fibber, it likely occurred between 1975 and 1977, as I recall a car seat being part of the situation for my little boy while driving the church. I recall bringing him into the church and gazing at the satellite dish.

You got the wrong talk.

HoH,

That's interesting that you watched this on the satellite dish at the church between 1975 and 1977. The church first began installing satellite dishes in chapels in July of 1981, with an initial network of 500 dishes announced to carry general conference broadcasts to members outside Utah.

Are you sure about the date, Everybody Wang Chung? I recall that our stake center installed one in 1975 or 1976.

[Res Ipsa]

A general suggestion on terminology: the man’s death is properly described as an accident unless someone intended to harm him. In common usage, at least in the US, “accidental” is the opposite of “intentional.”

Whether someone is legally or morally responsible for what happened is irrelevant to whether it is proper to describe what happened as an accident. Even if the church were found by a jury to have been negligent, the incident would be properly described as an accident.

Without knowing a whole lot of additional facts, any argument about whether the church is legally or morally responsible for what happened is pure speculation.

[MG 2.0]

Without knowing a whole lot of additional facts, any argument about whether the church is legally or morally responsible for what happened is pure speculation.

That's what folks here do best. And the speculation becomes 'doctrine', of sorts.

Regards,
MG