Nightingale wrote:harmony:
"This isn't MAD. Try to keep us straight."
I don't know much, 'tis true. But I am certainly capable of discerning a difference between this board and MAD thankyouverymuch.
Yeah, me too. And I'm well aware of which one offers open honest communication and which one has to stack the deck in order to survive.
harmony:
"MAD is the over-moderated post-menopausal vision of a woman with significant issues. MDB (note the different spelling)..."
Well, they ARE close so that is a tough one for me but I'll try. What is amazing is how "harmony" and "charity" are not the first words that spring to mind when I read some of the offerings by the two posters, no matter which board they're on.
harmony is what I seek, not what I have attained. I'm still a work in progress, but at least I own my faults... all of them.
"...is the non-moderated vision of a man determined to give everyone a voice, even those who are silenced on MAD."
So MAD the BAD is symbolized by a poxy female and MDB the GOOD is symbolized by an enlightened male?
Eek.
Why eek? It's not our fault Juliann, the owner of the MAD board, is, hand's down, the worst example of an LDS woman that can be found on the 'net. It's our good fortune that Shades, the owner of the MDB board, is one of the best examples of non-LDS men that can be found anywhere on the 'net.
"Posters need a thick skin, a minimal elementary understanding of the subject matter, and the ability to give and take. Some Saints would not survive here. Daniel isn't one of them. Daniel's biggest problem isn't that he couldn't do well here, and score some points. Daniel's problem is he'd have to give only his best here, and he has no desire to make that effort. It's much easier for him on MAD, where he's never challenged and he's constantly protected. It's not our fault he makes that choice."
So, like MAD, there are unstated rules (funny, that was close to the worst thing for me about being a convert to Mormonism). One of them is that you don't actually want DCP to post here.
Actually, you'll never see me post that. I am fine with Daniel posting here, but I see no reason to treat him any differently than anyone else here. This isn't MAD, where he's protected and admired to the point of hero worship. This is MDB, where everyone stakes their claim, based on their argument and their personality. We have TBM's here. Some are excellent representatives of the LDS church; some are not. If Daniel chooses to stay, well... he'll find his own place within our group, but it won't be divinely protected nor will it be unchallenged.
If the majority did want that and the mods, I'd think the door would be wider open. You cannot seriously expect people to submit to personal attacks to participate here?
People submit to personal attack the instant they set foot on MAD. Here, it takes a little longer for some, not as long for others. Some people actually post here who are TBM's without getting personally attacked at all. I think it has to do with history more than the current time.
Yes, the potential for a unique discussion board is here. Is the reality of that too much to hope for?
Well, we're still working on it, and I think we're making progress. That it will never be like MAD is a good start.
I understand that people have history with DCP et al. However, not all readers and participants on these boards know the entire backstory on it all (or can keep it all straight). I can barely tell who's LDS and who's ex and who's neutral unless they are obviously blatantly biased either way. So, it's just hard to understand why board mgt would say this is a completely open board if it isn't really. Surely, nobody will show up here if it means they're going to get dumped on?
The history is long, and covers multiple boards over multiple years. I am one of the ones with the "history", yet I didn't dump on Daniel when he showed up here. We are many voices; condemning us all for one or two posters is both unfair and unfortunate, but something I'd definitely expect from a MAD-board regular.
That's all I'm trying to say. If you don't want to talk to somebody, fine. But do you need to take every opportunity to mock and jeer to their face (so to speak)? Why can't you just stay off it and let them participate? (General you, not harmony you).
Are you sure you've been on MAD? Because I've seen little but mocking and jeering from many of the regulars there. Ask them about the Pickle, and see what happens.
As for taking the board/s too seriously; well, I did think that people wanted meaningful discussion, yes.
Indeed. It's why many of us stick around, even when the going gets tough sometimes.
Do what you want. I don't even care at this point.
Indeed. And that is why you won't.
But I did have an interest in seeing an endeavour such as this do well. It would indeed be remarkable if even vigorous opponents could find a place - and a way - to engage each other in meaningful discussion. That's more important to me than cheap thrills from a well-aimed pot shot. Any day.
I have over 2000 posts invested in this place. Perhaps you could add a few more to your total before you condemn us quite so thoroughly. Or perhaps not.