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_Seven
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Post by _Seven »

Some Schmo wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:Why would Peterson or any other "target" of many of the rabid angry exmo's or semi exmo's ever stick around here for the vile that the ilk of PP, Merc, Schmo, Inks, and others will spew. These people have some real problems with civility.


You think I spew vile? Hmph. Interesting. Now, is that commentary on me or your perspective?

I'm usually smiling when I'm typing up my posts. I like to be silly.

I don't dislike any of the posters here (it's hard to dislike those you don't know). I may not like what's written, but I have nothing against the people themselves. But does that mean I'm not allowed to mess with people based on the things they write?

Wow dude, you seem a tad sensitive to me, or take this way too seriously. After all, we're only talking about religion, which is an endless well of potential comedic fun.


I am not sure why Jason lumped you in with PP and Merc. I haven't seen a hateful post directed toward anybody on this board from you, unless I have missed some. Is Bryan Inks spewing vile too? I don't read every thread here so unless I missed something, you didn't deserve that comment, in my opinion.

PP and Merc can be abrasive and have personally attacked posters but most of the time it's their brand of humor that is misunderstood and not true hatred for anybody. Porter has on several threads said things that I completely disagree wtih but he still makes me laugh. If you are not familiar with their posting style, then some may get offended.

Mercs comment to DCP was wrong and I hope even the most outsopken critics of Mormonism can refrain from stooping to the level of the Juliann's RayA's, Pahoran's, Selek's etc. of internet Mormonism. I believe the large majority here are respectful to differing views, unlike MAD. That is why I choose to post here on Shades board and have no desire to ever post again on MAD.

If DCP doesn't ever come back, that is his loss but I hope he stays and gets to know everybdoy better before lumping us all together based on one person.
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Post by _Ray A »

Nightingale I really do think very highly of you, and think you're a voice of reason. But do you think you can shorten your posts a tiny,weeny bit?

Thanks in advance, from your ADD (attention deficit disorder) fan.
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Post by _Mercury »

Daniel Peterson wrote:Thanks, Nightingale.

I don't plan to be around here much or for very long -- largely, but not entirely, because of that sort of nonsense.

But I appreciate the sentiments.

Best wishes,

DCP


More people laugh at you than respect you.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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Post by _Mercury »

Jason Bourne wrote:Nightingale.

Problem is there are some here who are so irrational about their hatred for things LDS that they really do need therapy. They claim they are free from the clutches of an evil cult but they are controlled more it now then they ever were. They really do need some therapy in order to move in in life. They seem unable to grasp the idea of civility.


You once again make a good point: those who are unable to leave the church have no freedom to think for themselves.

Oh, im sorry, that was not the point you were making. That was the point you made nevertheless.

jason, learn how to leave the church. Once you give up the love affair with the cult you will come around. I'm pulling for ya buddy!
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Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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Post by _Ray A »

Seven wrote:Mercs comment to DCP was wrong and I hope even the most outsopken critics of Mormonism can refrain from stooping to the level of the Juliann's RayA's, Pahoran's, Selek's etc. of internet Mormonism. I believe the large majority here are respectful to differing views, unlike MAD. That is why I choose to post here on Shades board and have no desire to ever post again on MAD.


I BEG your bloody pardon? How "dare" you? Did I ever utter ONE offensive comment in this CESSPOOL!!!?

SHOW ME WHERE!!!! (I hope your fingers rot searching.)

Seven wrote:If DCP doesn't ever come back, that is his loss.


It will truly be his loss. No one ever regretted a few less piles, and less visits to the pharmacy!

Now go find where I ever uttered ONE word of slander against the participants of MDB!!!!
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Post by _Alter Idem »

Ray A wrote:Nightingale I really do think very highly of you, and think you're a voice of reason. But do you think you can shorten your posts a tiny,weeny bit?

Thanks in advance, from your ADD (attention deficit disorder) fan.


Ray, just do what I do. Read every other word:)
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Post by _Blixa »

Ray A wrote:I BEG your bloody pardon? How "dare" you? Did I ever utter ONE offensive comment in this CESSPOOL!!!?

SHOW ME WHERE!!!!

Now go find where I ever uttered ONE word of slander against the participants of MDB!!!!


Not bloody hard. Here's a quite truncated list drawn only from one thread:

"Do you have anything better to do than feed your inferiority complex by writing a blog to feed your deflated ego? And imagine, bashing a church to build your ego and get a few laughs. You must really be the bottom of the barrel.

Another gutless wonder who won't reveal his real name.

You are a pretend person

You remind me of the girl I saw being attacked a few weeks ago in the streets. I saw two thugs kick into this girl mercilessly while she was on the ground screaming. What she said I have no idea, but no human being deserves that! Undoubtedly she only said offending words to the parties, and that is what I heard after. Fortunately two police officers saved her life. But my stomach churned with disgust and absolute shock. This is the sort of verbal mugging I see going on here.

You know what they say, beastie? If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas. You are so naïve!!!

Beastie, this is the sh*t pile you have chosen to lie down in.

WOW! You mean you can stand your children being called "retards" and say nothing, but want me to go back to "Orson"? You are really f***ing sick.

...as long as you support these traitors, and bile-driven sychophants wallowing in their own dung - you are one of them.

YOU, b***, will be one of the reasons I never trust exmos again."
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Post by _harmony »

Alter Idem wrote:
Ray A wrote:Nightingale I really do think very highly of you, and think you're a voice of reason. But do you think you can shorten your posts a tiny,weeny bit?

Thanks in advance, from your ADD (attention deficit disorder) fan.


Ray, just do what I do. Read every other word:)


It might help if you read every work of what Ray wrote to Blixa. Then you'll see what we put up with, from those who defend the church.

Never let it be said either side is blameless in these dogfights.
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Post by _harmony »

Nightingale wrote:harmony:
"This isn't MAD. Try to keep us straight."

I don't know much, 'tis true. But I am certainly capable of discerning a difference between this board and MAD thankyouverymuch.


Yeah, me too. And I'm well aware of which one offers open honest communication and which one has to stack the deck in order to survive.

harmony:
"MAD is the over-moderated post-menopausal vision of a woman with significant issues. MDB (note the different spelling)..."

Well, they ARE close so that is a tough one for me but I'll try. What is amazing is how "harmony" and "charity" are not the first words that spring to mind when I read some of the offerings by the two posters, no matter which board they're on.


harmony is what I seek, not what I have attained. I'm still a work in progress, but at least I own my faults... all of them.

"...is the non-moderated vision of a man determined to give everyone a voice, even those who are silenced on MAD."

So MAD the BAD is symbolized by a poxy female and MDB the GOOD is symbolized by an enlightened male?

Eek.


Why eek? It's not our fault Juliann, the owner of the MAD board, is, hand's down, the worst example of an LDS woman that can be found on the 'net. It's our good fortune that Shades, the owner of the MDB board, is one of the best examples of non-LDS men that can be found anywhere on the 'net.

"Posters need a thick skin, a minimal elementary understanding of the subject matter, and the ability to give and take. Some Saints would not survive here. Daniel isn't one of them. Daniel's biggest problem isn't that he couldn't do well here, and score some points. Daniel's problem is he'd have to give only his best here, and he has no desire to make that effort. It's much easier for him on MAD, where he's never challenged and he's constantly protected. It's not our fault he makes that choice."

So, like MAD, there are unstated rules (funny, that was close to the worst thing for me about being a convert to Mormonism). One of them is that you don't actually want DCP to post here.


Actually, you'll never see me post that. I am fine with Daniel posting here, but I see no reason to treat him any differently than anyone else here. This isn't MAD, where he's protected and admired to the point of hero worship. This is MDB, where everyone stakes their claim, based on their argument and their personality. We have TBM's here. Some are excellent representatives of the LDS church; some are not. If Daniel chooses to stay, well... he'll find his own place within our group, but it won't be divinely protected nor will it be unchallenged.

If the majority did want that and the mods, I'd think the door would be wider open. You cannot seriously expect people to submit to personal attacks to participate here?


People submit to personal attack the instant they set foot on MAD. Here, it takes a little longer for some, not as long for others. Some people actually post here who are TBM's without getting personally attacked at all. I think it has to do with history more than the current time.

Yes, the potential for a unique discussion board is here. Is the reality of that too much to hope for?


Well, we're still working on it, and I think we're making progress. That it will never be like MAD is a good start.

I understand that people have history with DCP et al. However, not all readers and participants on these boards know the entire backstory on it all (or can keep it all straight). I can barely tell who's LDS and who's ex and who's neutral unless they are obviously blatantly biased either way. So, it's just hard to understand why board mgt would say this is a completely open board if it isn't really. Surely, nobody will show up here if it means they're going to get dumped on?


The history is long, and covers multiple boards over multiple years. I am one of the ones with the "history", yet I didn't dump on Daniel when he showed up here. We are many voices; condemning us all for one or two posters is both unfair and unfortunate, but something I'd definitely expect from a MAD-board regular.

That's all I'm trying to say. If you don't want to talk to somebody, fine. But do you need to take every opportunity to mock and jeer to their face (so to speak)? Why can't you just stay off it and let them participate? (General you, not harmony you).


Are you sure you've been on MAD? Because I've seen little but mocking and jeering from many of the regulars there. Ask them about the Pickle, and see what happens.

As for taking the board/s too seriously; well, I did think that people wanted meaningful discussion, yes.


Indeed. It's why many of us stick around, even when the going gets tough sometimes.

Do what you want. I don't even care at this point.


Indeed. And that is why you won't.

But I did have an interest in seeing an endeavour such as this do well. It would indeed be remarkable if even vigorous opponents could find a place - and a way - to engage each other in meaningful discussion. That's more important to me than cheap thrills from a well-aimed pot shot. Any day.


I have over 2000 posts invested in this place. Perhaps you could add a few more to your total before you condemn us quite so thoroughly. Or perhaps not.
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Post by _Dr. Shades »

Wow, this thread has marked a milestone in Internet communication, because although lots of people have disagreed with each other, EVERYONE IS RIGHT.

Here's my quick $0.02. Do I want Daniel C. Peterson to post here? Yes, I do. BUT, FOR THAT MATTER, I also want every other human being with a functional command of the English language to post here, too. Why? Because everyone has a unique contribution to make to the marketplace of ideas (I think).

To that end, I am BOUND AND DETERMINED to avoid "playing favorites" like MA&D does. Why? Because if I was to start penalizing some participants for interacting a certain way with other participants, then the penalized ones would inevitably get the strong impression that their input is somehow less valuable than the defended ones. I refuse to do that. My moderatorial philosophy is that EVERYONE IS EQUAL. That means making NO overt moves to attract some by silencing others.

Do I, like Nightingale, at times cringe when I see how some people choose to interact with others? Yes, I do. But I refuse to "make this board in my image," for the reasons outlined above. All I ask is that the content be kept in the appropriate forum.

There were a couple of comments I'd like to address, though:

grayskull wrote:Look at it this way, the board is perfect but the members aren't.


THAT, my friend, is the most succinct one-sentence summary of MormonDiscussions.com that I've ever seen.

harmony wrote:It's our good fortune that Shades, the owner of the MDB board, is one of the best examples of non-LDS men that can be found anywhere on the 'net.


Oh my gosh, that's probably the nicest thing anyone's said about me in a LONG time. Thank you! Now if I could only get my wife to agree. . .
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

--Louis Midgley
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