Congratulations DCP

[_Jersey Girl]

Who made Dr. Peterson the "board nanny"?

Kevin did. It's pure fiction. His claim that I got him booted is entirely false. It's been false on every previous occasion, too.

Okay, Daniel. What you probably didn't see on the David B. thread was a post I made that was directed to you, because it was deleted by the mods.

Daniel, I think you (and others) already know that I don't recognize whatever status you hold on these boards or in the LDS community. You're just a guy and in this case, a guy who screwed up. Let me tell you why.

You no doubt remember the lengthy threads on this board between yourself and Scratch. On those threads you seemed astonished that Scratch would harp at length about something that happened years ago regarding Quinn and also the situation on ZLMB involving yourself as Freethinker and company. I was astonished too. Not having a history with most of you or caring about what went on years ago on a board, I found it tedious and nearly nauseating. You as a topic, totally bores me to tears and you know that because I've told you so.

The Elohim and Heavenly Mother (Asherah) thread on MAD was an exceptional thread. I've never seen anything like it on MAD or FAIR, not ever. The entire debate was conducted without outside interference, Kerry identified Kevin early on, and both sides (which amounted mainly to Kerry and Kevin) were able to post stridently, adjust, revise, refine and in the process, so much information was unearthed that would be useful to anyone regardless of their religious affiliation. And in the end, the adversaries essentially shook hands and thanked each other for the battle.

DO YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS ON THESE LDS BOARDS, DANIEL?

Try never.

Now, the entire debate (that was resurrected by David B.) has faded into the background and the topic has become ...did Kevin break a promise? How many sock puppets has Kevin used? Did Kevin lie? Does Kevin think Daniel got him banned?

Ringing any bells here, Daniel???

Believe it or not, in spite of the posts that you see me make on these boards, I LIVE FOR a lively debate like that even when my participation is minimal or when I take part as onlooker.

You all might think these long standing feuds are juicy little morsels that folks eat up, but the truth is Daniel it is as, if not more, boring and tiresome to most of us, as when the topic becomes YOU.

Most of us don't care who Kevin is. Don't care how many sock puppets he's used. Don't care if he broke some promise a year ago (a YEAR ago for pete sakes). Don't care where he lives, what his name is, whether or not he's still a believing LDS, who he emails or any of that.

What I care about, at least, is witnessing a lively debate where people learn, where people adjust their approach, refine their position, support it, defend it and I, at least, don't care who is behind the screen facilitating it so long as it holds my interest and I walk away from it with something new.

So my question to you, Daniel, is considering the tedious threads involving yourself and Scratch, why did you even feel the need to mention Kevin's reappearance on MAD?

There was an ongoing debate there, Daniel. And you all killed it in favor of trading the topic for personal discussion regarding Kevin.

I was totally robbed,
Jersey Girl

[_Nephi]

This is why I rarely post over there anymore. Let them have their fun little members only club and strengthen each other without opposition.

Here here... I am a freggin Mormon and I don't like to post over there because the mods tend to shape threads too much to make it seem like the opposition has no real position with which to debate.

If you are the same Nephi over there, you hardly qualify as an orthodox Mormon, but Mormon nonetheless.

Sargon

Yeah. I'm the same whacked out Mormon over there :P

Guess I am here to show there is a big difference between the sayings, "I am a Mormon," and, "I am a member of the Mormon Church." There is something very liberating with the second phrase, whereas the first phrase tends to box people into an identity.

[_Mister Scratch]

So my question to you, Daniel, is considering the tedious threads involving yourself and Scratch, why did you even feel the need to mention Kevin's reappearance on MAD?

There was an ongoing debate there, Daniel. And you all killed it in favor of trading the topic for personal discussion regarding Kevin.

I was totally robbed,
Jersey Girl

Perhaps, Jersey, at long last, you are starting to realize why I have done posts/threads on DCP. I think it is worth noting, too, that DCP has "sworn off" Kevin "permanently," as he has tried to do with me. And yet, what have we here! A DCP post in which he *outs* Kevin! How about that?

[_Jersey Girl]

So my question to you, Daniel, is considering the tedious threads involving yourself and Scratch, why did you even feel the need to mention Kevin's reappearance on MAD?

There was an ongoing debate there, Daniel. And you all killed it in favor of trading the topic for personal discussion regarding Kevin.

I was totally robbed,
Jersey Girl

Perhaps, Jersey, at long last, you are starting to realize why I have done posts/threads on DCP. I think it is worth noting, too, that DCP has "sworn off" Kevin "permanently," as he has tried to do with me. And yet, what have we here! A DCP post in which he *outs* Kevin! How about that?

Scratch....be clear, I don't give a rock solid damn about DCP threads any more than I care about DCP's harping about Kevin.

[_Mister Scratch]

So my question to you, Daniel, is considering the tedious threads involving yourself and Scratch, why did you even feel the need to mention Kevin's reappearance on MAD?

There was an ongoing debate there, Daniel. And you all killed it in favor of trading the topic for personal discussion regarding Kevin.

I was totally robbed,
Jersey Girl

Perhaps, Jersey, at long last, you are starting to realize why I have done posts/threads on DCP. I think it is worth noting, too, that DCP has "sworn off" Kevin "permanently," as he has tried to do with me. And yet, what have we here! A DCP post in which he *outs* Kevin! How about that?

Scratch....be clear, I don't give a rock solid damn about DCP threads any more than I care about DCP's harping about Kevin.

Jersey Girl:

Both Kevin and I have alluded to threads which have been consigned to the trash heap due to DCP's involvement. You said that the KG thread under discussion was "the best" you'd seen.... I would think that that would count as "a rock solid damn".....

[_Jersey Girl]

So my question to you, Daniel, is considering the tedious threads involving yourself and Scratch, why did you even feel the need to mention Kevin's reappearance on MAD?

There was an ongoing debate there, Daniel. And you all killed it in favor of trading the topic for personal discussion regarding Kevin.

I was totally robbed,
Jersey Girl

Perhaps, Jersey, at long last, you are starting to realize why I have done posts/threads on DCP. I think it is worth noting, too, that DCP has "sworn off" Kevin "permanently," as he has tried to do with me. And yet, what have we here! A DCP post in which he *outs* Kevin! How about that?

Scratch....be clear, I don't give a rock solid damn about DCP threads any more than I care about DCP's harping about Kevin.

Jersey Girl:

Both Kevin and I have alluded to threads which have been consigned to the trash heap due to DCP's involvement. You said that the KG thread under discussion was "the best" you'd seen.... I would think that that would count as "a rock solid damn".....

How is it that you misunderstand what I write? I don't give a damn about the feuds, Scratch.

[_Mister Scratch]

So my question to you, Daniel, is considering the tedious threads involving yourself and Scratch, why did you even feel the need to mention Kevin's reappearance on MAD?

There was an ongoing debate there, Daniel. And you all killed it in favor of trading the topic for personal discussion regarding Kevin.

I was totally robbed,
Jersey Girl

Perhaps, Jersey, at long last, you are starting to realize why I have done posts/threads on DCP. I think it is worth noting, too, that DCP has "sworn off" Kevin "permanently," as he has tried to do with me. And yet, what have we here! A DCP post in which he *outs* Kevin! How about that?

Scratch....be clear, I don't give a rock solid damn about DCP threads any more than I care about DCP's harping about Kevin.

Jersey Girl:

Both Kevin and I have alluded to threads which have been consigned to the trash heap due to DCP's involvement. You said that the KG thread under discussion was "the best" you'd seen.... I would think that that would count as "a rock solid damn".....

How is it that you misunderstand what I write? I don't give a damn about the feuds, Scratch.

Yes, you do, Jersey Girl. You care about the way that the feuds interfere with *real* dialogue. Do you not?

[_beastie]

Well, I'm going to have to read the thread in question. I have limited interest in the Book of Abraham topic or Asherah, but this sounds like it was a fascinating discussion.

I don't read enough at MAD anymore to know exactly who's who, but I did notice JasonH's comments on the Asherah thread and wondered who he was, because he obviously knew what he was talking about when most of the peanuts in the gallery didn't.

[_dartagnan]

Beastie, in order to appreciate the travesty Dan caused, you need to read the entire discussion which evolved over four different threads within a two week period, beginning with:

Is The Translation Of The Bible Inspired?, A question for the traditional Christians http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=27106
August 19th I engaged the discussion. On Aug 21st in the same thread, Kerry began calling me Kevin Graham and others did also. This is where I pointed out an error in Bokovoy’s response to Heiser, whereby he claimed the Mormon “Elohim = God the Father” idea began in 1916. I provided evidence that it began in 1845 at the latest, and nobody has yet to deal with it.

I also noted that only FARMS has claimed Asherah was consort to Elohim. If you do a search for the phrase “Consort of Elohim” the World Wide Web will only give you a single link – a FARMS article. I was then told the source was Margaret Barker, so FARMS can’t be to blame. I responded that Margaret Barker doesn’t hold to that view, and that whoever said she did is misrepresenting her. On August 21st, this prompted Zakuska to start this thread:

Farms accused of Misrepresentation of Margarett Barker http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=27161
I was called to the carpet: “Thems Fight'n words Jason. Please Document them...” Within an hour, the resident Barker expert, Kevin Christensen, pretty much verified my claim and said the FARMS article was “sloppy.” Zakuska was probably anxious to see me eat crow, but it didn’t turn out that way. To say the least, the implication that I had “accused” wrongly, was soon forgotten, and the discussion about Asherha picked up again until August 23rd when I decided to start another thread dealing with the issue head-on:

Elohim And Heavenly Mother, Restoration evidence from Ugarit? http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=27218
This was perhaps the most informative thread, which lasted a week, finding its end on August 30th when David Bokovoy decided to jump in and start another thread claiming to “correct” me. The thread was:

Sexuality and the Biblical God, Correcting JasonH's (a.k.a. Kevin Graham's) Views http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=27589
As his apologetic predecessors did before him, he began misrepresenting my argument and started tearing up another straw man. He claimed I was wrong for saying the Bible suppresses anthropomorphisms, and he started the name-dropping game, using scholars with irrelevant citations that don’t refute anything I said. But I’m sure he realizes that most people won’t figure that much out. The whole idea is to woo his audience with a slew of citations and everyone just assumes they actually refute something I wrote. I mean why would anyone write up a thousand word post that doesn’t refute anything?

I did the same, except my citations pertained to my claim, and reinforced it. I provided about a half-dozen citations from scholars. I even pointed out that the way I worded my claim was nearly a direct quotation from Margaret Barker. Not only had Bokovoy failed to comprehend my argument, he made himself look silly with long-winded, meaningless bloviation. At this point Dan Peterson felt he needed to step in and disrupt the flow of the exchange. And of course, with their usual expediency, the mods jumped in and banned me, all the while claiming that the reason they didn’t ban me sooner was because they had no idea who I was until then. Yea, that’s right. They had no idea that I had posted sixty-three comments in four of the liveliest threads, over a two week period!

It is also clear that, not only had I been referred to as Kevin Graham for nearly two weeks, but Bokovoy's thread included it in the title. So even if the mods play ignorant about not keeping up with the discussions (which is unlikely), they still have to explain how they missed this red flag waving in their faces all day. Bokovoy's thread was started at 7am my time and my last post was at 5pm. I received a PM from Ben McGuire around 5:30 and as I clicked on it again I was told that I had been banned. I was online as the banned me. So this tells us that for about 10 1/2 hours, "Kevin Graham" was right there on the front page of the discussion forum slapping them in the face. So why didn't they ban me once they saw it? I am supposed to believe that none of the moderators had been on the forum all day?

[_harmony]

I just want to point out that every single time a MD thread includes a MAD link, the person posting that link is feeding Juliann's ego. Every single time! Because by posting just the link here, Juliann can control the content of this message board as well as her own. No links work from here to that board. All links from this board to that board are blocked by Juliann.

Does no one but me understand what ACCESS DENIED really means, as far as participants on this board are concerned?

If the contents of the thread are interesting enough, copy the post, because otherwise, Juliann wins.