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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:12 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:46 pm


He was cancelled by Rupert Murdoch. He no longer has a voice on Fox News.

Call it firing if you want. Same thing in this instance.

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Ok. He was cancelled by Mitt Romney loving, conservative, Republican, socialist hating, Rubert Murdock, which is the fault of leftists, and an attack on the First Amendment.
I don’t think that Tucker was fired by leftists. I do think that the fact that his voice is being cancelled on Fox brings joy to many liberal/leftists though.

I wouldn’t doubt that Murdoch was bending the knee to some extent to legacy media. I don’t know much at all about him but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a desire to be accepted at cocktail parties held by the so called intelligentsia and media elites.

But I could be wrong.

Watch the clip of how the dimwits reacted on The View.

Literally waving their hands back and forth with joy.

At the end of the day, Tucker was cancelled. He will still have a voice, however. At least for now.

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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:17 pm
MG, I have a recommendation for you: read Eric Adler.
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Almost the entire developed world has been socialist by conservative American standards for at least three generations now. Western Europe and Canada may not be heaven on Earth but they are doing okay. Would Americans somehow be unable to handle European-style liberalism without slipping straight into tyranny? I would hope that two-hundred and fifty years of devotion to democracy would make a nation less fragile than that.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:29 pm
Almost the entire developed world has been socialist by conservative American standards for at least three generations now. Western Europe and Canada may not be heaven on Earth but they are doing okay. Would Americans somehow be unable to handle European-style liberalism without slipping straight into tyranny? I would hope that two-hundred and fifty years of devotion to democracy would make a nation less fragile than that.
The thing is, not only have we be “doing okay” but the USA has been the driving force for democracy/freedom/liberty throughout the world. It has been a ‘city on a hill’, so to speak. We haven’t had much of a desire, up until now it seems, to just be okay.

Christianity has been a major player.

It is the healthy mix between classical liberal and conservative values that have got us this far. Some might call these values ‘family values’. I would like to take the optimistic ‘glass half full’ approach, but I’m also of the opinion that we ought to go into the future with our eyes wide open rather than being an ostrich and putting our heads in the sand.

That was the WHOLE point of this thread, at least for me, to bring to our consciousness the fact that freedom isn’t free. It’s something we have to fight for. And there are forces that WOULD curtail freedom/liberty.

Christianity has, on the whole, at least in modern times, been a force for liberty and freedom. Politically, spiritually, and for conscience.

I’m NOT saying that Christianity in the form of church membership/belief is the ONLY answer/option to problems that society has brought upon itself, but I am saying that it is part of the solution. I would hate to see religionists gradually being pushed out of the public square by those that despise and/or have a hatred towards religion or would like to see it take a back seat/second class status.

And there have been worrisome trends along the way that would support the idea that religion, and Christianity in particular, have been under attack.

Socialism in the instances you name, have resulted in ‘Okay’ results thus far. In other instances socialism…and its cousin communism…have not resulted in ‘Okay’.

Communist/socialist party organizations have been very active on American soil for MANY years now. They are well organized and have goals/ideals/ideology that don’t match with those of most Americans.

At least up until now.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:46 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:58 pm
Rupert Murdoch firing Tucker Carlson is the fault of leftists, and an attack on the First Amendment.

Math checks out.
He was cancelled by Rupert Murdoch. He no longer has a voice on Fox News.

Call it firing if you want. Same thing in this instance.

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MG
Don't you think that it is Murdoch's prerogative as owner of Fox to let go who he wants? Or do you think he's hamstrung by what [?] from doing so because Tucker was spouting his views?
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https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Classics ... 0197518788
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:29 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:17 pm
MG, I have a recommendation for you: read Eric Adler.
Link?

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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:21 pm
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Classics ... 0197518788
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:29 pm


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Thanks.

Would you be willing to say why this particular book is of such value?

I did read the comments and the accolades given the book/author. If I’m not mistaken you are a Classics professor, right? I can understand, if this is so, why this book might speak to you powerfully.

Why should this book be read by those that are not immersed in the humanities as a profession?

This is your chance to sell it!

I have a number of books, as I’ve said before, that I’m reading at any one time. Mostly fiction nowadays. 🙂

Why would I add this one to my stack?

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Because the professor argues in favor of teaching values in higher Ed.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:19 pm

I believe that everyone should have their voice heard somewhere and somehow rather than simply being ‘cut off’ from participation in society.

Who gets to make these decisions?

You?
Who are you going to make listen to everyone's voice? Stand up on an airplane and begin spewing your beliefs and see what happens very quickly. You'll be constrained by the flight crew if you do not shut up. That's because the corollary to free speech is the right of others to not have to listen to any speaker. Because the audience on an airplane would be captive (no where to go to avoid having to hear you), you do not have a right to speak under such circumstances). That's great--but also your choice--to listen to everyone, if that's what you want to spend your time doing.

Who is 'cutting off' whom? Ron DeSantis cutting off DisneyWorld for expressing its disagreement with DeSantis' 'don't say gay' law? DeSantis is using the power of the Florida state government to stifle DisneyWorld's right to express its views, just like Joseph Smith was using the power of the Nauvoo city government to stifle the Nauvoo Expositor's right of free press. Such misuse of governmental power is unconstitutional. You choosing not to listen to someone you do not think is worth your time--or as you would put it, 'canceling' them--is fine, in fact it is your right to do so. You are not by refusing to listen stifling the speaker's rights.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:41 pm
Because the professor argues in favor of teaching values in higher Ed.
OK.

Nonetheless, as I pointed out earlier we do have this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

The values being taught may be somewhat skewed to one side vs. another. What’s unfortunate is that teachers are encouraged/forced? To follow the dictates of administration.

That closes down certain discussions/lectures/views.

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