The Trump Criminal Case MEGATHREAD.

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Re: Trump Convicted on all 34 counts

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 4:08 am
Some Schmo wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 4:06 am

Shouldn't someone who pleads guilty get less time than someone who pleads not guilty and is convicted?
Not necessarily. The two men were charged with very different offenses.
Don't the Crime Bosses usually get a much lighter sentence than their underlings?

What about rehabilitation? What if a herd of Evangelical pastors laid their hands on him and raised him as their Godling of Evil? He would be canonized in Republican lore.
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A certain amount of two-tieredness is baked into legal systems.
Anatole France wrote:In its great concern for equality, the law forbids the rich just as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, or steal bread.
But sometimes there are also laws about crimes that only rich people commit.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 1:52 am
It's funny how the left claims that Trump will never leave office if elected. It now looks as though Democrats will never leave office. This is also a warning shot to DeSantis and other Republicans who dare to challenge the political establishment. If a government can do this to a billionaire presidential candidate from the opposition party, imagine what it can do to anyone else who disagrees with the uniparty. Perhaps we've already had our last free and fair election in 2016. One thing for sure is that if Trump loses this election in November, we now have a totalitarian regime that will never give up power and is willing and able to try and convict anyone who opposes them regardless of what the voters say. Free and fair elections are no more. Freedom of speech is no more. Freedom of political expression is no more. And rule by the people is no more. How much more democratic is the USA than Russia? Not much. This is far beyond conservative vs. liberal, capitalism vs. socialism. This is about an American republic or totalitarian uniparty control in perpetuity and the end of the Constitution being worth anymore than the paper it's written on.
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Re: Trump Convicted on all 34 counts

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 3:10 am
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and predict no jail time. Fine and probation.
Agreed.
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Is it really appropriate for someone awaiting trial to be running for president of the country?

I'm not a biden or Trump fan and I don't know what your policies are. As an outsider. Purely based on this stated, I find it odd that someone can be facing court and being charged with criminal behaviour and still be trying to run the country?

There are lesser roles that wouldn't consider a person for the job with a pending sentencing.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:07 am
Is it really appropriate for someone awaiting trial to be running for president of the country?

I'm not a biden or Trump fan and I don't know what your policies are. As an outsider. Purely based on this stated, I find it odd that someone can be facing court and being charged with criminal behaviour and still be trying to run the country?

There are lesser roles that wouldn't consider a person for the job with a pending sentencing.
Excellent question. The answer is a resounding “no,” but so many people in this country have lost their moral compass and good sense that the question they ask is “why not?” Or they declare, “There is no rule or law preventing it.” Once upon a time, the Founders many of these people claim to revere would have thought it self-evident that such a person should not run for office and probably assumed it would be impossible because wise people would never allow it. The loss of such collective wisdom is keenly felt.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:07 am
Is it really appropriate for someone awaiting trial to be running for president of the country?

I'm not a biden or Trump fan and I don't know what your policies are. As an outsider. Purely based on this stated, I find it odd that someone can be facing court and being charged with criminal behaviour and still be trying to run the country?

There are lesser roles that wouldn't consider a person for the job with a pending sentencing.
When Biden wins congress will make a law that says a convicted felon or perhaps even anyone guilty of a misdemeanor cannot run for president. This is a pivotal moment in becoming a one party Democrat totatlitarian state. Now all Democrats have to do is find a liberal district, judge, jury to idict, charge, and convict whoever the next Republican candidate happens to be. That's the amount of power a corrupt politically partisan judge has to make felony charges and get a conviction out of nothing. There's no more need to rig or ballot harvest because elections mean nothing more here than they do in Russia right now.
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GOP has come to stand for Gullible Or Paranoid (but likely both).
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Re: Trump Convicted on all 34 counts

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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 10:34 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 3:10 am
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and predict no jail time. Fine and probation.
Agreed.
I disagree. Trump will be going to jail or at least restricted to home confinement. He'll get no appeal until after the election. They have to keep him from doing rallies if they want any chance. I know Ben Shapiro contends that if Trump were to stay in his basement a la Joe Biden and make the election about Biden, he'd win. I think in spite of the polls BIden has this election locked up. It's been arranged. Regardless of what the vote count turns out to be, the left will never allow Trump to be president. They have no moral inhibitions about doing this through nondemocratic totalitarian means. This should also help keep Biden from having to debate Trump, which isn't really a bad thing for Republicans. Debates before partisan moderators do more harm for conservatives than good.

And while Republicans talk about this setting a bad precedent, Democrats have no need to worry about being held to the same standards. Republicans are completely inept politically when it comes to these things and they're powerless to ever impose a single standard of justice. They've failed at impeaching Biden and everything else. Most uniparty Republicans like Mcconnel haven't even spoken out against this. The left is safe and unencumbered by issues like fairness.
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Re: Trump Convicted on all 34 counts

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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 10:34 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 3:10 am
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and predict no jail time. Fine and probation.
Agreed.
I’m going to predict one day in prison for each count along with a fairly stiff fine - probation isn’t punishment, you don’t spend a single minute incarcerated. I can’t imagine Judge Merchan, after all of America lived through this rigmarole of this anxiety-inducing trial, would simply let Trump off the hook with something like home detention or probation, without some jail time.

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