Guns in America

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

To go to KG’s point there were over a 100,000 drug overdose deaths last year, and over 76,000 the year before:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs ... 211117.htm

These people aren’t raping and murdering their way across America - they’re actually killing themselves off in droves. So, when people open carry who do they think they’re ‘putting on notice’? It doesn’t make any sense.

- Doc

[K Graham]

Since no one here has ever said anything about banning all guns, can we finally dispense with the repeated use of this straw man?

I support measures to reduce the number of guns on the street. Things like gun buy back programs. I also support the "smart gun" which got a lot of attention some years ago but unfortunately never became popular. The smart gun is a gun that guarantees that the only person who can fire it is the registered owner. This means the bullied kid who takes his Dad's AR-15 to gun down students won't be able to do so. It means the thousands of crimes using guns borrowed or stolen from others, likely wouldn't be committed.

[K Graham]

“Zero.”

- Doc

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[Atlanticmike]

Since no one here has ever said anything about banning all guns, can we finally dispense with the repeated use of this straw man?

I support measures to reduce the number of guns on the street. Things like gun buy back programs. I also support the "smart gun" which got a lot of attention some years ago but unfortunately never became popular. The smart gun is a gun that guarantees that the only person who can fire it is the registered owner. This means the bullied kid who takes his Dad's AR-15 to gun down students won't be able to do so. It means the thousands of crimes using guns borrowed or stolen from others, likely wouldn't be committed.

Oh boy!!

[Binger]

[Binger]

So if I'm understanding you correctly, a 120lbs woman can't shoot a 230lbs intruder unless he's armed? Is that the knew Progressive rule women are going to have to follow? Someone breaking and entering into your house and you being in fear for your life isn't enough anymore?

No, you're not understanding anything correctly. And your misunderstandings become more apparent with every repeated rant. I'm making the point that your examples aren't very good examples to prove why shooting criminals is necessary. In both scenarios they were leaving the scene without harming anyone, so why shoot them in the back unless you're just a sick human being who loves the thrill of the kill?

Now, I'm told repeatedly by gun fanatics that guns are needed for safety. For protection from bad people with guns who threaten their lives. And yet I don't know of anyone, or anyone else who does know anyone, who has ever had such an experience. You see this played out in Hollywood films and you can google some examples from local news outlets, but those examples happen very rarely, and usually in low income neighborhoods. For middle-upper class living, there is absolutely zero need to have guns in the home. If home raiders are dumb enough to approach our home with the obvious surveillance system pointing in every direction, and if they're not concerned about our two yapping dogs that bark at anything that moves within 100 ft of our house, then breaking down our door would be a miracle in itself as it is a pretty thick French door bolted to the base and top of the framing. Assuming they get past the foyer before our dogs tear them a part, the cops would already be on the scene.

The point is there are just too many guns in this country and they eventually end up in the hands of criminals. Why is this so hard to admit? Criminals typically don't go buy their guns from stores that will register them. They either buy them on the black market or they get them from careless owners. This is only possible because there are more guns than people in this country.

Hell yes.

We should all be able to trade our guns for an oversized home with custom french doors that have top and bottom bolt locks in the frame, two oversized guard dogs, a security system that reports directly to the police in our low-crime neighborhood so the police can arrive on time, preferably with multiple units from the local department that is well funded, not overworked and very diverse. If in fact the home visit by an uninvited person with unknown intentions has nefarious intentions, the local well-funded and diverse police force will also send a social worker to visit the unscheduled guests and the homeowner.

K Graham, if we go down this path, should we also offer early retirement to those folks trading in their guns? What about face-tattoo removal? I mean, what if this guy was trying to get past your french doors in your gated community?

[Marcus]

Since no one here has ever said anything about banning all guns, can we finally dispense with the repeated use of this straw man?

I support measures to reduce the number of guns on the street. Things like gun buy back programs. I also support the "smart gun" which got a lot of attention some years ago but unfortunately never became popular. The smart gun is a gun that guarantees that the only person who can fire it is the registered owner. This means the bullied kid who takes his Dad's AR-15 to gun down students won't be able to do so. It means the thousands of crimes using guns borrowed or stolen from others, likely wouldn't be committed.

I notice none of the trolling responses have addressed this issue. The charts make it clear there are very, very few instances of defensive use of a gun, but the video clip fanatic seems to have found them all. How can you have a conversation with all the chaff rolling around?? anyway, the Smart gun program has a lot of potential I think, but that would take a very long time to be fully effective.

(I'm sorry your thread about your friend got run over by the troll brigade. You, and they, deserve better.)

[K Graham]

Oh boy!!

Oh Boy is right. Why do you continue to lie about what "PROGRESSIVES!!" want?

[K Graham]

Hell yes.

We should all be able to trade our guns for an oversized home with custom french doors that have top and bottom bolt locks in the frame, two oversized guard dogs, a security system that reports directly to the police in our low-crime neighborhood so the police can arrive on time, preferably with multiple units from the local department that is well funded, not overworked and very diverse. If in fact the home visit by an uninvited person with unknown intentions has nefarious intentions, the local well-funded and diverse police force will also send a social worker to visit the unscheduled guests and the homeowner.

Is that what I said?

Come on. Here is your chance to show you're not just a disingenuous troll. Admit that I never said this. Your comprehension has failed you again, as the point was clearly that guns are not needed at all in middle-upper class areas, yet these people tend to own more guns than the people in poorer neighborhood who might actually need them.

Sure, you can paint me as some rich prick, but that's not the point. And I've never denied my privilege as a white American.

[K Graham]

Since no one here has ever said anything about banning all guns, can we finally dispense with the repeated use of this straw man?

I support measures to reduce the number of guns on the street. Things like gun buy back programs. I also support the "smart gun" which got a lot of attention some years ago but unfortunately never became popular. The smart gun is a gun that guarantees that the only person who can fire it is the registered owner. This means the bullied kid who takes his Dad's AR-15 to gun down students won't be able to do so. It means the thousands of crimes using guns borrowed or stolen from others, likely wouldn't be committed.

I notice none of the trolling responses have addressed this issue. The charts make it clear there are very, very few instances of defensive use of a gun, but the video clip fanatic seems to have found them all. How can you have a conversation with all the chaff rolling around?? anyway, the Smart gun program has a lot of potential I think, but that would take a very long time to be fully effective.

(I'm sorry your thread about your friend got run over by the troll brigade. You, and they, deserve better.)

The funny thing is the NRA types should be embracing this, but they don't. They hate the idea of the smart gun, even though it preserves their right to bear arms. The primary purpose is to ensure ONLY THE RIGHTFUL OWNER of the weapon can fire it. Not a criminal, not a toddler, not someone with suicidal tendencies. Who in their right mind would be opposed to something like this?