This Place Has Become Boring

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Re: This Place Has Become Boring

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Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:26 pm
Oh please !!! The screen name TINFOILHAT is actually my wife’s account and she has never posted under it, only I have! When I convinced her to open it she was going to post but didn’t, not because of me, but because of idiots like Doc Cam and Schmo!!! Same with one of the guys I text with at mddb! He actually has an account here but has never used it, well, I think he’s used it once or twice maybe, can't remember, but he won’t join in because of the vicious insults hurled at conservatives!!! It cracks me up that you think this board is welcoming to outsiders!! It’s the exact opposite and today you’ve explained perfectly why it’s not welcoming! It’s a cabal of friends that protect each other at all cost!!
You are obviously not listening, AM.

I am saying that this is a community that existed long before you showed up. If your wife doesn't like it because of DocCam, then that is our business, not yours. Can I just say that "sorry not sorry" your wife didn't like it? Likewise with your MDDB buddy.

Look, I don't post at MDDB either. Why? Because the vibe over there is too bootlicking of the LDS Church. Do I go over there to provoke them over it?

Hell no!

I post there on occasion if the mood strikes, but I don't seek for them to remake the board according to my personal preferences.

Just grow up, dude. Not every board has to be a place your wife wants to post.
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Re: This Place Has Become Boring

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Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:30 pm
Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:26 pm
Oh please !!! The screen name TINFOILHAT is actually my wife’s account and she has never posted under it, only I have! When I convinced her to open it she was going to post but didn’t, not because of me, but because of idiots like Doc Cam and Schmo!!! Same with one of the guys I text with at mddb! He actually has an account here but has never used it, well, I think he’s used it once or twice maybe, can't remember, but he won’t join in because of the vicious insults hurled at conservatives!!! It cracks me up that you think this board is welcoming to outsiders!! It’s the exact opposite and today you’ve explained perfectly why it’s not welcoming! It’s a cabal of friends that protect each other at all cost!!
You are obviously not listening, AM.

I am saying that this is a community that existed long before you showed up. If your wife doesn't like it because of DocCam, then that is our business, not yours. Can I just say that "sorry not sorry" your wife didn't like it? Likewise with your MDDB buddy.

Look, I don't post at MDDB either. Why? Because the vibe over there is too bootlicking of the LDS Church. Do I go over there to provoke them over it?

Hell no!

I post there on occasion if the mood strikes, but I don't seek for them to remake the board according to my personal preferences.

Just grow up, dude. Not every board has to be a place your wife wants to post.
It's not like there are no other boards to choose from... great points Kish.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:30 pm
Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:26 pm
Oh please !!! The screen name TINFOILHAT is actually my wife’s account and she has never posted under it, only I have! When I convinced her to open it she was going to post but didn’t, not because of me, but because of idiots like Doc Cam and Schmo!!! Same with one of the guys I text with at mddb! He actually has an account here but has never used it, well, I think he’s used it once or twice maybe, can't remember, but he won’t join in because of the vicious insults hurled at conservatives!!! It cracks me up that you think this board is welcoming to outsiders!! It’s the exact opposite and today you’ve explained perfectly why it’s not welcoming! It’s a cabal of friends that protect each other at all cost!!
You are obviously not listening, AM.

I am saying that this is a community that existed long before you showed up. If your wife doesn't like it because of DocCam, then that is our business, not yours. Can I just say that "sorry not sorry" your wife didn't like it? Likewise with your MDDB buddy.

Look, I don't post at MDDB either. Why? Because the vibe over there is too bootlicking of the LDS Church. Do I go over there to provoke them over it?

Hell no!

I post there on occasion if the mood strikes, but I don't seek for them to remake the board according to my personal preferences.

Just grow up, dude. Not every board has to be a place your wife wants to post.
Look at what your doing!! Shades loves free speech but you want him to change his opinion to suit your needs!! Again!! You’re yearning for the “ good old days“ when you guys could pick on certain posters and know no one was going to say anything about it!! You grew comfortable with being bullies and now you miss it!! That’s what it is!!! Like I said!! It’s perfectly clear you guys want to log on in the morning and see who insulted Ajax the best the night before!! You want a place where Doc Cam, Kevin and Schmo can entertain you unimpede! That’s exactly what you want!! You want to be entertained by their insults of conservatives!
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:42 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:30 pm


You are obviously not listening, AM.

I am saying that this is a community that existed long before you showed up. If your wife doesn't like it because of DocCam, then that is our business, not yours. Can I just say that "sorry not sorry" your wife didn't like it? Likewise with your MDDB buddy.

Look, I don't post at MDDB either. Why? Because the vibe over there is too bootlicking of the LDS Church. Do I go over there to provoke them over it?

Hell no!

I post there on occasion if the mood strikes, but I don't seek for them to remake the board according to my personal preferences.

Just grow up, dude. Not every board has to be a place your wife wants to post.
Look at what your doing!! Shades loves free speech but you want him to change his opinion to suit your needs!! Again!! You’re yearning for the “ good old days“ when you guys could pick on certain posters and know no one was going to say anything about it!! You grew comfortable with being bullies and now you miss it!! That’s what it is!!! Like I said!! It’s perfectly clear you guys want to log on in the morning and see who insulted Ajax the best the night before!! You want a place where Doc Cam, Kevin and Schmo can entertain you unimpede! That’s exactly what you want!! You want to be entertained by their insults of conservatives!
I for one value free speech, but not when it denigrates into chaos and trolling. GO away. You are invited to leave and never come back. YES, that's what our community wants, we admit you are right, now GO away. We no longer care what you think. Go crow to everyone else Shades has begun censoring trolls and wants an echo chamber. That is your opinion, it is irrelevant to us. GO away you are no longer welcome here.
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I hardly pay any attention to Ajax or who is insulting Ajax. I don’t pay it much mind because I don’t find it very interesting or important. You are largely ignorant about me.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Re: This Place Has Become Boring

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Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:01 pm
I hardly pay any attention to Ajax or who is insulting Ajax. I don’t pay it much mine because I don’t find it very interesting or important. You are largely ignorant about me.
True, and Ajax also does discuss materials, not disrupt everyone else with accusations and starting dozens of threads about irrelevant and stupid topics and jumping in the middle of other threads he disagrees with and interrupting them. Ajax has a different voice and is welcome here, AM is obnoxiously disrupting and continuing to do so, and engaging everyone into off topic issues that go on for absolute pages and dozens of posts of largely valueless stuff. THAT is boring. Since no one listens to my suggestion of ignoring him, we have a troll problem. The egos on both sides is the problem. I honestly thought ignoring would work, but it doesn't. It is when I see many of my friends leaving that causes me to sit up and ask why. TROLLS. Cancer has shown up, its time to perform surgery to heal the board.
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Shades loves free speech but you want him to change his opinion to suit your needs!!
What you don’t seem to understand is that this board does not belong to Shades alone. We are a community. What the members of the community that has been here together for years and has contributed in participation and money think is also important. What you think about this or about Shades, in your ignorance, is of little matter.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:56 pm
Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:42 pm
Look at what your doing!! Shades loves free speech but you want him to change his opinion to suit your needs!! Again!! You’re yearning for the “ good old days“ when you guys could pick on certain posters and know no one was going to say anything about it!! You grew comfortable with being bullies and now you miss it!! That’s what it is!!! Like I said!! It’s perfectly clear you guys want to log on in the morning and see who insulted Ajax the best the night before!! You want a place where Doc Cam, Kevin and Schmo can entertain you unimpede! That’s exactly what you want!! You want to be entertained by their insults of conservatives!
I for one value free speech, but not when it denigrates into chaos and trolling. GO away. You are invited to leave and never come back. YES, that's what our community wants, we admit you are right, now GO away. We no longer care what you think. Go crow to everyone else Shades has begun censoring trolls and wants an echo chamber. That is your opinion, it is irrelevant to us. GO away you are no longer welcome here.
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:16 pm
Philo Sofee wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:56 pm
I for one value free speech, but not when it denigrates into chaos and trolling. GO away. You are invited to leave and never come back. YES, that's what our community wants, we admit you are right, now GO away. We no longer care what you think. Go crow to everyone else Shades has begun censoring trolls and wants an echo chamber. That is your opinion, it is irrelevant to us. GO away you are no longer welcome here.
No. You don't get to echo me here, the application is not the same. I have EARNED my right to be here in this community through years of participation, you HAVE NOT DONE SO YET. It is NOT the same application, but I also fall into your little silliness here by responding, so I agree, I am being hypocritical. I will change that by ignoring you entirely. Hopefully all others will take the clue and do likewise. YOU are not welcome here, I am. You may echo that if you wish, though you don't.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:56 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:49 am
I’m too exhausted to do anything right now.

Mike, please be sure your comments within each thread have something to do with the opening posts. . . preferably by adding something new.

Everyone else, please make use of the “add foe” feature prior to doing anything, uh, else.
Take your time. I'm putting the whole board on ignore. This place isn't good for me the way it is right now.
Shades I needed to get away from here last night because as I said, this place isn't good for me the way it is now. My posts were becoming increasingly disgusting in nature and I assure you that I didn't post so much as half of what I was thinking yesterday. That is NOT who I want to be on this board or in the world. Apparently it's not beneath me, though, and so I logged out last night. I credit myself with at least that much.

I was permanently banned for at least 2 years, if not 3 years. Before I returned I made an agreement with you. I have kept my agreement with you and acted in good faith towards you and this community. Of that I am sure. I have a copy of said agreement and since my second coming, I have referred to it many times.

Right now, I don't believe that you are acting not in good faith towards this community. You say you were exhausted. I don't know if you are working long hours, are sick, dead, or dying, moving literal mountains or what. I accept that you were exhausted.

When I and another participant were banned, the two mods involved didn't think twice about doing it. They no doubt felt that something needed to stop so they stopped it. You were wrong about me then and I wasn't wrong when I said I had lost perspective. Here goes. I never planned to ever bring this up again, but I do so to point out a pattern here and damn it, I'm angry. Cam's apparent departure here (whether voluntary or involuntary) is the last straw for me.

I had gotten an email group mailing that I believe originated with LDSToronto telling us that Darrick was making direct threats on DCP and was going to show up at his work place. I got that mailing, you got that mailing, as many of us did. To this day, I don't know who shared my email address. Darrick (who was likely off his meds at the time) started making increasingly threatening posts on this board--"blood must be shed! " A majority of posters up in Terrestrial and Telestial spoke up in protest of those threats. EA was the only moderator present during those moments and he would do nothing. He said he needed you to make the decision. We continued to protest.

I ended up taking matters into my own hands and contacted the webhost to see if what Darrick was doing was against TOS for the board. My thought at the time was to simply stop Darrick. I assumed that if his conduct were against TOS that the webhost would suspend the board until a dispute was settled. I contacted you via PM's to tell you upfront what I did.

I never ONCE tried to destroy this board, Shades. What I tried to do, albeit sloppily, was to SAVE the freaking board because, in my mind, had Darrick made good on this threats here and the threats he made that were shared in that email, YOU might have been held liable for aiding him.

But you weren't here. harmony suspended me. EA suspended Darrick. In my view, you ended up taking your crap out on me without so much as a hearing, popped me out of here forever and all time and I went without protest. It was only years later when I explained that what triggered my response in contacting thew webhost was on account of the sudden violent and bloody death of a family member in real life, in real time, the PTSD associated with it, and I didn't want to see anyone from this board, much less DCP himself be harmed. My intentions were ALWAYS honorable and good.

You, for whatever reasons, have not been here much lately. I doubt that you have a full grip on what is the reality that this board has become. You good mod team's hands are obviously, and once more, tied. They need and/or want your approval for certain things and we all know it. The acceptance of rampant trolling is a threat to this board. This community deserves better. We all deserve better. That's why people blew the place up here. Our posts are our only method of expressing ourselves. And boy, did people express themselves in the form of an all out uprising.

What you could have done last night, even in your state of exhaustion, was to suspend the account in question and leave it on hold until you had time to sort it out, knowing that you could undo the suspension any time you wanted to.

But you didn't do that, Shades. When you look in on the board today you will see exactly what I see. The board has exploded in a fury of anger and opposition. People are breaking the rules left and right. Why? Because they are frustrated and have gone Lord of the Flies on account of it. Not unlike the Darrick situation.

Your mods and your posters have acted in good faith towards you. Indeed, some here have contributed money for this new board. I tell you the hard truth, Shades. Right now, you are not acting in good faith towards all of us or your moderators. If that is a hard pill to swallow, then you'll just have to swallow it.

Cam is gone. I don't know where he is. He's gone right in the middle of the war in Ukraine where all of us can benefit from his rich military experience and knowledge. I can't tell you how ANGRY that makes me because I'm not here to “F” around. I am here mainly to try to learn and understand things that I can't learn and understand by myself (not that I don't hang, too.) and now one of my best resources for all things military is GONE. And I like him. He is a valued member of this community. He is our FRIEND. And he's GONE. He is a combat veteran. In his last post he was seen cussing you and the mods out, though not canpakes. What is he supposed to engage in written combat just to get a word in edgewise between all the troll BS for something such as free speech that he himself defended in real time? Are you joking?

I propose once again, let Gad be your second in command if he is willing. I have seen Gad at work as a moderator on a board that was difficult to manage. When you are out of pocket so to speak, it is not okay to leave your mod team in the lurches. It's not okay to leave this board in the lurches because things happen quickly as you can clearly see what apparently happened overnight and earlier today. It's another mess for the mods to clean up.

See if Gad is willing to do this. If he is not willing to do this, I am. But I don't think you want me to and I don't know why you wouldn't because I have always been supportive of this board and this community and yet, I don't get the feeling that you want me to lead here. I'd do it in NY minute if you wanted me to. But Gad is good. He can do it. He's decisive and fair. I trust him implicitly and have trusted him for two decades. I know this guy.

This post might read as a mess in and of itself. I don't know. Here it is anyway. If this seems all over the place it's only because I am angry about all of this and I guess my breaking point was Cam not being here.

Oh I just don't give a damn how this reads. Submit.
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