Certain people can't ever get it right

[Morley]

MG, since you're back, will you answer the entire post I asked you to respond to?

[mentalgymnast]

MG, since you're back, will you answer the entire post I asked you to respond to?

No. Not interested at this point. But if you would like to go back and condense your questions into one or two that really matter to you, go for it.

I ask questions all the time that never get answered so don’t feel left out.

Regards,
MG

[mentalgymnast]

Ha!

The difference, MG, is that I'm not complaining about how others see me. You were.

I suspect some have always been 'stricken with binary.'

Yup. dup dup.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[mentalgymnast]

Ain’t that the truth.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I literally can’t see what felt brain is posting, and I don’t care enough to know in case anyone is thinking about quoting him. I mean. I already know how it goes, so why bother? If he turns over a new leaf down the road perhaps I’ll reengage, but it’s akin to trying to talk sense to ldsfaqs. It’s a waste of energy.

- Doc

[Gadianton]

I would be more comfortable referring to Fowler’s Stages of Faith. I can tell you that I am a stage 4-5. I think there are too many people that ‘jump ship’ on religion/God and the LDS Church without having been able to move beyond 2-3.

To the limited extent Fowler can be taken seriously, those such as yourself who use his material as apologetics fail to understand that his theory is ultimately descriptive, not prescriptive. All the psychological machinery making MG a 4-5 also makes ISIS MG a 4-5. There is nothing here that actually predicts either MG has a better understanding of the world. You're assuming that just because you've stayed faithful, that it means you must be a nuanced and complex thinker. It may just mean you've been able to rationalize.

Osama Bin Laden understood that sweet fruit of Jihad was not dependent upon any one criteria, and that losing the battle on one front, didn't mean losing the war. Younger thinkers may have had to be encouraged not to give up hope when events didn't unfold simplistically in their favor.

At any rate, I'm not sure you've actually read the stages. You say we're 2-3s and that you're a 4-5. Let's compare stage 3 with stage 4:

Stage 3 – "Synthetic-Conventional" faith (arising in adolescence; aged 12 to adulthood) characterized by conformity to authority and the religious development of a personal identity. Any conflicts with one's beliefs are ignored at this stage due to the fear of threat from inconsistencies.

Stage 4 – "Individuative-Reflective" faith (usually mid-twenties to late thirties) a stage of angst and struggle. The individual takes personal responsibility for his or her beliefs and feelings. As one is able to reflect on one's own beliefs, there is an openness to a new complexity of faith, but this also increases the awareness of conflicts in one's belief.

It doesn't sound like anyone here could be at a three. How could I leave Mormonism when per your stage, I've been ignoring any and all conflicts with my beliefs out of threat of inconsistency, since approximately age 12?

It sounds like per the theory -- and I'm not saying I ascribe to it -- but your own theory seems to say stage 4 is where apostasy happens.

[mentalgymnast]

You say we're 2-3s and that you're a 4-5.

I wouldn’t say that you are 2-3. I do think that there are, like I said, too many folks that struggle because they are 3’s and find it a real challenge to move beyond that and they give up.

Regards,
MG

[mentalgymnast]

I literally can’t see what felt brain is posting, and I don’t care enough to know in case anyone is thinking about quoting him. I mean. I already know how it goes, so why bother? If he turns over a new leaf down the road perhaps I’ll reengage, but it’s akin to trying to talk sense to ldsfaqs. It’s a waste of energy.

- Doc

OTOH, I can see what this guy is posting and it’s a waste of time so far, in this thread, to read anything he has to say. Bloviating and arrogant without anything useful to say besides ripping on individuals and organizations. LDS Church in particular. If this person carries himself in polite company the way he does here, sympathies to those that he mingles and associates with.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

over at the .win site, there's some good examples of MG's stages of faith in action. Within the same post, 'cyphr' shows us what it means for faith in the great awakening to move from stage 2-3, to stage 5, where Biden's inauguration drove home a stage 4.

The main problem is that we all waited two and a half months thinking that the military would be used to prevent Bi Den from being inaugurated, due to misunderstood Q drops and a lot of datefagging (and pay-triots pretending that they had inside information about the plan).

I have to keep telling myself that this is all much bigger that a 4 year election and election fraud - it is literally a world wide war on the deep state. For some unknown reason, a fake Bi Den presidency is part of that overall plan. We won't know why until all the operations have been completed (if even then).