Bill Hamblin "Outs" CKSalmon

[_Mister Scratch]

Hey Pah---

How come Professors Peterson and Hamblin need you to defend them? Are they weak? Afraid? Or is this just more of you sucking up the milk of FAIR and sticking your nose up their butts?

Given that your only response to my post is an outburst of personal vileness, I take it you are conceding my points?

Given that your only response is to ignore my accusation, I take it you are conceding? I.e., that you are basically an ass-kisser and a whore for the FAIR cause, and that you'd drop to your knees the second that Hamblin or Peterson asked you to?

Do you concede that Professor Hamblin's unpublished acrostic is no worse than Metcalfe's "Gollum" joke?

Nope. Prof. Hamblin is an apologist for the Church of Jesus Christ, and as such, he needs to be held to the very, very highest of standards. Moreover, you getting called "Gollum" seems pretty accurate. And it is not the same because "Gollum" isn't an outing of your identitly ala what Hamblin did.

Do you concede that Professor Hamblin's expansion of Mr. Salmon's initials is at least no worse than your naming of pseudonymous FAIR participants on your hate blog?

See above. And do you really object to having your name on the blog, Pah? All you had to do was say so, and I would've personally removed it. Given that you've made no secret of your identity elsewhere on the web, including FAIR, I didn't think it would be a problem. However, if it was, then you have my sincere apology. Are we going to get such a thing from Prof. Hamblin? No. Because you and the mods will always be there to carry him around on his throne.

Do you concede that knowing that Mr. Salmon works for the Utah Evangel isn't going to harm his credibility in the eyes of the majority of FAIRBoard participants?

No, since most of the participants are LDS.

Refusal to engage shall be taken as a "yes" to all three.

Regards,
Pahoran

Keep it coming, hate boy. Your heart is just so full of hate, isn't it? You have become so consumed with "anti-Mormonism" that you practically are an anti-Mormon yourself. The fact that you're so repellent, and the fact that you personally are responsible for several members' apostasies pretty much means that you are, in fact, and ironically, a pretty horrible anti-Mormon. Well done, Pah!

[_Pahoran]

Hey Pah---

How come Professors Peterson and Hamblin need you to defend them? Are they weak? Afraid? Or is this just more of you sucking up the milk of FAIR and sticking your nose up their butts?

Given that your only response to my post is an outburst of personal vileness, I take it you are conceding my points?

Given that your only response is to ignore my accusation, I take it you are conceding?

Given that your accusation is nothing substantive, but merely an expression of your own personal vileness, I see nothing to respond to.

I.e., that you are basically an ass-kisser and a whore for the FAIR cause, and that you'd drop to your knees the second that Hamblin or Peterson asked you to?

My response to that is to repeat something you say below:

"Keep it coming, hate boy. Your heart is just so full of hate, isn't it?"

Do you concede that Professor Hamblin's unpublished acrostic is no worse than Metcalfe's "Gollum" joke?

Nope. Prof. Hamblin is an apologist for the Church of Jesus Christ, and as such, he needs to be held to the very, very highest of standards.

So you justify your hypocrisy by a self-righteous proclamation of your double standards. Got it.

Moreover, you getting called "Gollum" seems pretty accurate.

Well there you are, you see. Metcalfe getting called "Butthead" seems pretty accurate to me, too.

So the awfulness of Professor Hamblin's unpublished acrostic consists solely in the fact that the hate clique disagrees with the characterisation. Got it.

And it is not the same because "Gollum" isn't an outing of your identitly ala what Hamblin did.

Pay attention, Scratchy. I am not comparing Metcalfe's lame joke to Professor Hamblin's expansion of Mr. Salmon's initials. I am comparing it to his unpublished acrostic that you keep obsessing about.

Get it right.

Do you concede that Professor Hamblin's expansion of Mr. Salmon's initials is at least no worse than your naming of pseudonymous FAIR participants on your hate blog?

See above.

Above where?

And do you really object to having your name on the blog, Pah? All you had to do was say so, and I would've personally removed it.

I only saw it yesterday.

Given that you've made no secret of your identity elsewhere on the web, including FAIR, I didn't think it would be a problem.

Given that Professor Hamblin's "outing" consisted in expanding "CKSalmon" to "Kelly Salmon," he didn't think it would be a problem, either.

However, if it was, then you have my sincere apology. Are we going to get such a thing from Prof. Hamblin? No.

Has CKSalmon asked for one? (Hint: no.)

Because you and the mods will always be there to carry him around on his throne.

Funny way for the mods to "carry him around on his throne:" edit his post, remove the information, and scold him.

Do you concede that knowing that Mr. Salmon works for the Utah Evangel isn't going to harm his credibility in the eyes of the majority of FAIRBoard participants?

No, since most of the participants are LDS.

That's a perfectly brazen falsehood. As, of course, you intended it to be.

Keep it coming, hate boy. Your heart is just so full of hate, isn't it?

You are clearly projecting.

You have become so consumed with "anti-Mormonism" that you practically are an anti-Mormon yourself.

Says the fellow who is utterly obsessed with the FAIRBoard, with no apparent sense of irony.

The fact that you're so repellent,

Why, thank you so very much.

and the fact that you personally are responsible for several members' apostasies pretty much means that you are, in fact, and ironically, a pretty horrible anti-Mormon. Well done, Pah!

Oh, really? Whose, for instance?

Can you name one?

Or is that so-called "fact" just another of your many bare-faced lies?

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Mister Scratch]

Hey Pah---

How come Professors Peterson and Hamblin need you to defend them? Are they weak? Afraid? Or is this just more of you sucking up the milk of FAIR and sticking your nose up their butts?

Given that your only response to my post is an outburst of personal vileness, I take it you are conceding my points?

Given that your only response is to ignore my accusation, I take it you are conceding?

Given that your accusation is nothing substantive, but merely an expression of your own personal vileness, I see nothing to respond to.

I.e., that you are basically an ass-kisser and a whore for the FAIR cause, and that you'd drop to your knees the second that Hamblin or Peterson asked you to?

My response to that is to repeat something you say below:

"Keep it coming, hate boy. Your heart is just so full of hate, isn't it?"

Great one. It doesn't change that fact that you suck up to Peterson and Hamblin. You suck so hard, in fact, that you could probably hoover a cricket ball through a garden hose. Your lips must be hideously chapped, rather like gollum's, I suspect.

Do you concede that Professor Hamblin's unpublished acrostic is no worse than Metcalfe's "Gollum" joke?

Nope. Prof. Hamblin is an apologist for the Church of Jesus Christ, and as such, he needs to be held to the very, very highest of standards.

So you justify your hypocrisy by a self-righteous proclamation of your double standards. Got it.

What double standards? I'm only sticking to the standards issued by the Church of Jesus Christ. Got it?

Moreover, you getting called "Gollum" seems pretty accurate.

Well there you are, you see. Metcalfe getting called "Butthead" seems pretty accurate to me, too.
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Uh, no. You getting called "Gollum" is accurate because of your slavish, addict-like devotion to your "Precious" FAIRboard, and the guys you clearly idoloze and view as father figures: DCP and Bill Hamblin. You go hobbling about, spewing out trash and invectives to the extent that you begin to resemble Gollum.

Go ahead and try to extend the analogy and explain how and why the label of "Butthead" applies to Metcalfe.

And it is not the same because "Gollum" isn't an outing of your identitly ala what Hamblin did.

Pay attention, Scratchy. I am not comparing Metcalfe's lame joke to Professor Hamblin's expansion of Mr. Salmon's initials. I am comparing it to his unpublished acrostic that you keep obsessing about.

Okay, that's cool. So why is it an apt comparison? Or are you too much of a gollum-esque, butt-kissing idiot to figure it out?

Do you concede that Professor Hamblin's expansion of Mr. Salmon's initials is at least no worse than your naming of pseudonymous FAIR participants on your hate blog?

See above.

Above where?

To repeat: yes, I do think it's worse because I feel that Prof. Hamblin must be held to a higher standard.

And do you really object to having your name on the blog, Pah? All you had to do was say so, and I would've personally removed it.

I only saw it yesterday.

Doesn't really answer the question...

Given that you've made no secret of your identity elsewhere on the web, including FAIR, I didn't think it would be a problem.

Given that Professor Hamblin's "outing" consisted in expanding "CKSalmon" to "Kelly Salmon," he didn't think it would be a problem, either.

So do you or do you not have a problem?

However, if it was, then you have my sincere apology. Are we going to get such a thing from Prof. Hamblin? No.

Has CKSalmon asked for one? (Hint: no.)

Have you? Or are you instead just here to whine and point fingers and function as a gollum for FAIR?

Because you and the mods will always be there to carry him around on his throne.

Funny way for the mods to "carry him around on his throne:" edit his post, remove the information, and scold him.

Yup. Followed by absolutely no further commentary from him. What a stand-up guy.

Do you concede that knowing that Mr. Salmon works for the Utah Evangel isn't going to harm his credibility in the eyes of the majority of FAIRBoard participants?

No, since most of the participants are LDS.

That's a perfectly brazen falsehood. As, of course, you intended it to be.

Then prove it, suck-boy.

and the fact that you personally are responsible for several members' apostasies pretty much means that you are, in fact, and ironically, a pretty horrible anti-Mormon. Well done, Pah!

Oh, really? Whose, for instance?

Can you name one?

Or is that so-called "fact" just another of your many bare-faced lies?

Regards,
Pahoran

Runtu and Thunderchops come to mind. Good luck defusing this one, my butt-kissing friend.

[_Runtu]

I don't know that I'd say Pahoran caused my apostasy. When I went back on FAIR as dimbulb, I was really trying to sort a lot out. I vented a lot on RfM and also went to FAIR, where I was genuinely trying to work out some issues. The personal crisis coincided with my being outed as posting on both places. It was that act that prompted several FAIR members to tell me I was no longer welcome there, so I quit posting and only read there occasionally. So, if the apostasy came at all because I wasn't hanging out on FAIR, then there might be some truth in it. But, no, he's not responsible. I am.

[_Mister Scratch]

I don't know that I'd say Pahoran caused my apostasy. When I went back on FAIR as dimbulb, I was really trying to sort a lot out. I vented a lot on RfM and also went to FAIR, where I was genuinely trying to work out some issues. The personal crisis coincided with my being outed as posting on both places. It was that act that prompted several FAIR members to tell me I was no longer welcome there, so I quit posting and only read there occasionally. So, if the apostasy came at all because I wasn't hanging out on FAIR, then there might be some truth in it. But, no, he's not responsible. I am.

Fair, enough, runtu, and I probably should have asked you before citing your name. Sorry about that. : ) I hereby retract.

[_Pahoran]

Great one. It doesn't change that fact that you suck up to Peterson and Hamblin. You suck so hard, in fact, that you could probably hoover a cricket ball through a garden hose. Your lips must be hideously chapped, rather like gollum's, I suspect.

As I was saying: an expression of your intense personal vileness.

And probably also a projection of what you demand from others. Any replies that suck up to you on your hate blog are allowed to stand; any that don't, are not.

What double standards? I'm only sticking to the standards issued by the Church of Jesus Christ. Got it?

The double standards whereby you sanctimoniously castigate Hamblin for making a joke comparing Metcalfe to an unpleasant fictitious character, and give Metcalfe a free pass for comparing me to an unpleasant fictitious character.

Which hypocrisy is clearly driven by nothing but your blind and irrational hatred for the Church of Jesus Christ, which has no standard forbidding the making of jokes at the expense of those who hate us. You fabricated that one, as well.

Uh, no. You getting called "Gollum" is accurate because of your slavish, addict-like devotion to your "Precious" FAIRboard, and the guys you clearly idoloze and view as father figures: DCP and Bill Hamblin.

I stand up for my friends, yes. Unlike you, I have a working backbone.

But, as you cannot pretend you don't know, because I have already mentioned it: Metcalfe didn't make his silly "Gollum" goof because he shared your hate-based caricature of me. He did it because I referred to certain parties as "a precious set of rascals." Try to get it right, if you care about the facts at all.

To repeat: yes, I do think it's worse because I feel that Prof. Hamblin must be held to a higher standard.

Thus, you affirm that you apply double standards to the discussion, even after denying it.

Make up your mind, please.

Doesn't really answer the question...

The question is irrelevant. You sanctimoniously pile on Professor Hamblin for doing something that, at worst, is no different than what you yourself have done.

Your hypocrisy is only exceeded by your arrogance.

Have you? Or are you instead just here to whine and point fingers and function as a gollum for FAIR?

You mean like you're a butt-kisser for Butthead?

Yup. Followed by absolutely no further commentary from him. What a stand-up guy.

At least he's not a sanctimonious, prating hypocrite.

Then prove it, suck-boy.

Why prove something you already know, Fleabite?

and the fact that you personally are responsible for several members' apostasies pretty much means that you are, in fact, and ironically, a pretty horrible anti-Mormon. Well done, Pah!

Oh, really? Whose, for instance?

Can you name one?

Or is that so-called "fact" just another of your many bare-faced lies?

Regards,
Pahoran

Runtu and Thunderchops come to mind. Good luck defusing this one, my butt-kissing friend.

I do not know who "Thunderchops" is. I have yet to make the connection for "Runtu."

[Edit to add]: having now seen Runtu's response, the penny has now dropped. I knew him as "Dimbulb." I had a go at him about something which I'd rather not re-litigate, but I agree that I was not responsible for his apostasy.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Pahoran]

I just checked the member list. No "Thunderchops."

I then did a forum search for "Thunderchops" as a key word. I found it mentioned in one thread: this one. No others.

So I must say, you have piqued my curiosity. Did you just pluck that one out of the air, or is "Thunderchops" an actual screen name, and if so where can I find out this person's story?

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Who Knows]

I just checked the member list. No "Thunderchops."

I then did a forum search for "Thunderchops" as a key word. I found it mentioned in one thread: this one. No others.

So I must say, you have piqued my curiosity. Did you just pluck that one out of the air, or is "Thunderchops" an actual screen name, and if so where can I find out this person's story?

Regards,
Pahoran

He's at KG's site. Not sure if he's come over here yet. And I'm not sure if his story is there. I think he mentioned he's been around LDS boards for a long time, probably under different usernames.

[_harmony]

I just checked the member list. No "Thunderchops."

I then did a forum search for "Thunderchops" as a key word. I found it mentioned in one thread: this one. No others.

So I must say, you have piqued my curiosity. Did you just pluck that one out of the air, or is "Thunderchops" an actual screen name, and if so where can I find out this person's story?

Regards,
Pahoran

Thunderchops is PaleFacedLemurKing, from ZLMB.

[_Mister Scratch]

I just checked the member list. No "Thunderchops."

I then did a forum search for "Thunderchops" as a key word. I found it mentioned in one thread: this one. No others.

So I must say, you have piqued my curiosity. Did you just pluck that one out of the air, or is "Thunderchops" an actual screen name, and if so where can I find out this person's story?

Regards,
Pahoran

Pahoran---

I went ahead and looked up Thuderchops' story over on KG's board, and I owe you a bit of an apology. He actually cites Prof. Peterson as being a larger factor in his leaving the Church than you. But given that you would be nothing without Prof. P., and that you hang on his every word and sieze upon every opportunity to kiss his butt, I feel that you and he are essentially the same.

for what it's worth, I know of several other people who have pointed to you as a key reason they left the Church, but I know them only by their in real life names, so obviously I won't be posting them here, for you to attack. You are so full of hatred, and of zealotry towards any criticisms of the Church at all, that you have ironically become an enemy of the Church. That is a mighty onus to bear, Pahoran.